My son " I dont think you are as smart as you think you are "

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Wisdom is the inevitable result of intelligence, given time. What is more often confused is intelligence vs knowledge. I've met many, many people who have managed to amass a good deal of knowledge who remain as dumb as the proverbial box of rocks.

i dont agree.

wisdom is predicting based on inputs, what is the likely output. being smarter than someone is imagining a way to improve that outcome, and making it real.

just because something is a common result, doesn't make someone smart for having predicted it.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

two things:

1. i think a lot of people are mixing up wisdom and intelligence. they are related, for sure, but they are different too.

I've always contended there is a difference between wisdom and knowledge, but I can see where a low-ish IQ person could have a level of wisdom.

I suppose it would be useful to define the terms wisdom, intelligence, and knowledge before we get into a serious discussion of them.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

i dont agree.

wisdom is predicting based on inputs, what is the likely output. being smarter than someone is imagining a way to improve that outcome, and making it real.

just because something is a common result, doesn't make someone smart for having predicted it.

I should have said that wisdom is one (rather than the) inevitable outcome of intelligence. It certainly isn't the only outcome. And, no, wisdom does not predict common results. Any fool can do that. Wisdom predicts uncommon results that are only predictable to those who have garnered some wisdom. We see this play out every day, wherein one bestowed with wisdom can see the inevitable result, where fools, no matter how obvious, cannot.

And yes, agreed - intelligence is also manifested through improved outcomes, outcomes that "raise the bar". Just about anyone can plod along with average, "acceptable" outcomes, it takes real intelligence to improve.

My real point was the delineation between intelligence and knowledge. The two are often confused. I've been around plenty who are virtual "walking textbooks", real wealths of knowledge, who can endlessly spout data, information, etc. and have absolutely no idea how to apply any of it outside of very wrote, very "canned" situations. If they cannot look up a solution (that someone else has previously developed) they will never solve a problem. Two of the other inevitable results of intelligence are lacking in these people - ingenuity and creativity.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

I've always contended there is a difference between wisdom and knowledge, but I can see where a low-ish IQ person could have a level of wisdom.

I suppose it would be useful to define the terms wisdom, intelligence, and knowledge before we get into a serious discussion of them.

"It ain't got no gas in it..."

That clip is profound wisdom

[Timothyvroy]

Old soul. He'd learn to adapt to life

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[masraum]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

wisdom is predicting based on inputs, what is the likely output. being smarter than someone is imagining a way to improve that outcome, and making it real.

just because something is a common result, doesn't make someone smart for having predicted it.

When you're using the term "smart" or "smarter" in the statement above, which of the terms being discussed are you equating that with knowledge or intelligence?

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

i dont agree.

Weird, that never happens! LOL!

One of these days, CP is going to respond with "I completely agree," and when that happens, I'm going to fall out of my chair.

[KFC911]

^^^ LOL ... CP would argue with this guy

https://youtu.be/AynXoLjYrKc?si=eXePVTepxiMls1rl

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Timothyvroy

Old soul. He'd learn to adapt to life

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Thank goodness the bot/spammer cleared things up for us.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by kc911

^^^ lol ...
https://youtu.be/aynxoljyrkc?si=exepvtepximls1rl

lol!

[Cajundaddy]

The older I am, the better I was. I raised 3 daughters, all are highly intelligent, well educated, and *mostly* on a well organized path to success in life. All 3 thought I was completely useless meat from age 14-18 but suddenly things began to make sense in their 20s.

My oldest is the one who still bucks the system and takes the hard road every time she is given a choice. She has all of my and her mother's foolish genes so she continually makes life a lot harder than it needs to be. Still, she married well has a good job and a house. She could do worse.

[Seahawk]

I had a Econ professor in college who explained the difference to me:

Smart is knowing the math, the data; Wisdom is knowing how to communicate what you think the data says. Then b willing to adjust.

He made a great living, and I helped in my limited way, in being a communications portal for really, really smart people to get their ideas heard and, more importantly, funded.

Edit: He has another Bon Mot I remember: Smart is knowing how to structure the experiment, wisdom is learning what the experiment really means.

I have not thought of this guy for a decade. What a smart and wise person he was.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by masraum

Hopefully, you can salvage/restore/upgrade your relationship soon!

Thanks. We're working on it.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

I had a Econ professor in college who explained the difference to me:

Smart is knowing the math, the data; Wisdom is knowing how to communicate what you think the data says. Then b willing to adjust.

He made a great living, and I helped in my limited way, in being a communications portal for really, really smart people to get their ideas heard and, more importantly, funded.

Edit: He has another Bon Mot I remember: Smart is knowing how to structure the experiment, wisdom is learning what the experiment really means.

I have not thought of this guy for a decade. What a smart and wise person he was.

I'm going to write those down. I have a great memory for numbers/math, but crap at remembering sayings, quotes, jokes, text.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Thanks. We're working on it.

Excellent! That's the key and great news.

[LEAKYSEALS951]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

I had a Econ professor in college who explained the difference to me:

Smart is knowing the math, the data; Wisdom is knowing how to communicate what you think the data says. Then b willing to adjust.

He made a great living, and I helped in my limited way, in being a communications portal for really, really smart people to get their ideas heard and, more importantly, funded.

Edit: He has another Bon Mot I remember: Smart is knowing how to structure the experiment, wisdom is learning what the experiment really means.

I have not thought of this guy for a decade. What a smart and wise person he was.

This could be an ongoing thread in itself. I have several influential teachers in mind.

[Racerbvd]

I, like most of the professionals here, had a Hard Ass father (unlike the losers with 2 mommies) who was completely “Old School”, that being said, I learned from his “mistakes” and my older brother’s mistakes.
One thing that I figured out early, fresh out of college, was that actual experience “Trumps” book smarts, and that was one my earliest true education experiences.
I learned very quickly that experience, dealing with a problem was way more valuable than the crap the college professor “taught” and was fortunate enough, to have a Business law professor who, 1)actually owned a few successful businesses and 2), loved teaching others how to be successful . I guess I was weird, when I met a successful person, I wanted to know how they became successful, I wasn’t angry or envious, I asked them what they did to achieve success.

[Danimal16]

You realize how intelligent and wise your Dad is at that moment you go to call him, and he can no longer answer.

[Bill Douglas]

“Knowledge is knowing that tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad”. - Brian O'Driscoll.

[Bill Douglas]

I had a girlfriend called Lisa. She thought she was the smartest person on earth, and the duty of us lessor beings was to serve her.

She could quote anything she had ever been told or taught, but was stupid at figuring out anything new. Or anything that she hadn't been shown how to do by someone else.

I said to her a definition of being smart is to make as much money as you can for as little work as possible so therefore you will never be as smart as me

[LWJ]

You all are discussing "Fluid Reasoning." The hallmark of FR is the ability to figure stuff out without specialized knowledge. Look it up. It is a cool concept. It is completly different from figuring stuff out with specific info. Bill's es GF is a perfect example of the two.