My 911 is listed on BAT this week - Page 4

Por_sha911 · Por_sha911's Garage

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Originally Posted by gregpark

It really is a great driving, rust free 67. I guess it stopped at 70k because it's not stock?

"Tribute" cars and "restomods" are a dime a dozen. Not everyone wants the louder B&B exhaust and the custom sound system on my car. They want original.
There is no way to recreate "original". When someone 'upgrades' a old vehicle. They do it for personal preference at the expense of value. I have many parts that are OEM that I stored away so that the car can be returned to stock but some things were long gone when I bought it in 2003.

In the same way, a car damaged in an accident will never have the same value as one that is original.

That said, a beautiful old car that hopefully has found a good home.

gregpark · 05-24-2025, 02:04 PM

I'd be willing to give it up for less than reserve ɓut I'm sure this car is worth more than 70k. I've seen plenty of lesser 911s go for more on BAT. Sign of the times?

Baz · Baz's Garage

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Originally Posted by gregpark

I'd be willing to give it up for less than reserve ɓut I'm sure this car is worth more than 70k. I've seen plenty of lesser 911s go for more on BAT. Sign of the times?

IMHO, it's an $80K car.

And they are only going to go up in value.

If you split the difference between reserve and top bid - it's $79K.

Maybe that's an option (?)

gregpark · 05-24-2025, 02:27 PM

BAT has changed things up since my last dealings. BAT used to share contact info of the top bidder and seller after reserve wasn't met but no more. Now the seller can make one offer and the top bidder can make one counter offer (BAT wants their 5%). I'm waiting for a counter offer. He has 24 hrs to respond.

wildthing · 05-24-2025, 04:34 PM

This car isn't for everyone. Most mainstream publications say to avoid SWBs, so it'll be for someone who wants an SWB. Then those who want matching numbers will also be excluded from the market. I personally don't care about matching numbers. But some do.

Baz · Baz's Garage

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Originally Posted by gregpark

BAT has changed things up since my last dealings. BAT used to share contact info of the top bidder and seller after reserve wasn't met but no more. Now the seller can make one offer and the top bidder can make one counter offer (BAT wants their 5%). I'm waiting for a counter offer. He has 24 hrs to respond.

This change in policy is downright ignorant.

Every single transaction I have done on my motorcycles involved a phone call and conversation back and forth. Resulting in deals being struck. I realize with B.a.T.'s format you have a chance to post questions and comments during the auction - but when the auction is over and you are the high bidder.....there's a lot more to discuss at that point that wouldn't make any sense discussing beforehand. Plus you both get to feel each other out a bit to see how much you're willing to negotiate.

Hope it all works out for you, Greg. That's a great car and a real piece of Porsche 911 history anyone would be happy to own and drive!

gregpark · 05-24-2025, 05:16 PM

I'm the same, matching numbers mean nothing to me. If it goes faster and handles better than original and is done right then it's a better car in my book. And I've never heard of advice to steer clear of short wheel based early 911s. I always thought they were considered desireable. What's the reasoning in these publications? Mine's a hoot to drive and does it very well

gregpark · 05-24-2025, 05:38 PM

BATs new DNMR format rule doesn't make sense to me. They allow one offer from seller to buyer and one counter offer and that's it. You would think they would allow back and forth dickering to ensure ensure a sale and get their 5%.
I also noticed they raised their cap of their cut from the buyer. From 5k to 7.5k

speeder · speeder's Garage

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Originally Posted by Baz

Hope it all works out for you, Greg. That's a great car and a real piece of Porsche 911 history anyone would be happy to own and drive!

Actually, it's not a real piece of Porsche history and that is why it's less valuable. Porsche never put a 2.7 CIS motor in a 1967 SWB 911. And anyone would not be happy to own it, what a weird statement.

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Originally Posted by gregpark

I'm the same, matching numbers mean nothing to me. If it goes faster and handles better than original and is done right then it's a better car in my book. And I've never heard of advice to steer clear of short wheel based early 911s. I always thought they were considered desireable. What's the reasoning in these publications? Mine's a hoot to drive and does it very well

All of the crazy value of air cooled 911s has to do with collector value. Or do you think that your car is $70k worth of fun? You can't be serious if you do. We used to buy cars like that for $8k and that was when people bought them for fun, not as investments. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's a fun car. I once owned a 1970 911E coupe that someone put a 2.7 CIS engine in back when the cars were worth nothing, they probably scrapped the numbers matching engine when it needed rebuilding or something. That's how stupid people were. My car was quick and ran great, just like yours, I'm sure but your car was a '67S which is worth a fortune and now the most important part of it is gone.

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Originally Posted by gregpark

BATs new DNMR format rule doesn't make sense to me. They allow one offer from seller to buyer and one counter offer and that's it. You would think they would allow back and forth dickering to ensure ensure a sale and get their 5%.
I also noticed they raised their cap of their cut from the buyer. From 5k to 7.5k

You probably should have taken the $70k if you want to sell the car. The market has spoken, twice.

speeder · speeder's Garage

Ok, just read the comments and see that it's not a 911S but a base 911, which isn't a huge deal considering the engine it has now. Cool car but as someone else said, "something tells me that this car is worth about $70k."

aigel · aigel's Garage

It is the low hp CIS 2.7. People price in a period correct engine replacement or using it as the basis for a hot rod, which it currently isn’t either. Id get used to the idea that this is its value and cut it loose if it is time to sell. Hope something can be worked out. Maybe the highest bidders can find you here.

speeder · speeder's Garage

Or just list it here on the *Cars for Sale* forum and at least people will know how to get ahold of you. Post a comment on your BaT auction that it's listed here, maybe the high bidder will give you $70k+ what the BaT fee would have been, i.e. $73.5k.

speeder · speeder's Garage

I've switched my focus to cars where the cost:fun ratio hasn't completely left the building. I'm currently restoring a pretty good '67 MGB and watching this auction right now:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-triumph-tr6-163/

The sounds in the driving video are like crack. I used to be heavily into Porsches and Alfas but it was never about pure performance; there were always much faster cars out there. It was about the fun...the beauty of the cars, the sounds, the smells, etc...

Porsche used to check the fun box for a reasonable price but now they are all considered super collectible, even the most boring, who gives a sht stock targas and cabs, all of them. The car in this thread is a pretty car that is in great condition but has lost a lot of its collector value, a CIS engine in an early car is not considered an upgrade. Still, I think that it did pretty well in the auction.

gregpark · 05-26-2025, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by aigel

It is the low hp CIS 2.7. People price in a period correct engine replacement or using it as the basis for a hot rod, which it currently isn’t either. Id get used to the idea that this is its value and cut it loose if it is time to sell. Hope something can be worked out. Maybe the highest bidders can find you here.

If i needed the money I'd have let it go for 70k but that's not the case. The reasons I considered selling: space for a table saw, too many vehicles, and the project is done. As far as a low powered 2.7? I doubt that would be a first thought if you drove the car. I've owned many cars in my life and yearned for more HP in most but not with this car. It weighs 2300 lb.s and dynos 154 HP at the wheel (probably not much below 200 at the crank).The power is more than adequate at this weight. A 10lb/1hp is a ratio we all strive for in a build and this car approaches that (in a very small car). It has my full attention when driving aggressively. I should probably just keep it, I'll never find another rust free 60 year old Porsche with 60k miles. Besides being super fun to drive it's also the prettiest car I own. Maybe I'll build a separate little garage just for it and it can become a family heirloom

Tobra · Tobra's Garage

I would keep it if it is not bringing what it is worth to you

greglepore · 05-27-2025, 05:33 AM

Yeah, I'd likely keep it.
When I built my 3.2 turbo targa it was a 10-15k car. Had I left it original, it'd likely be a 50-60k car now, but as it sits, with the mods, non original interior, a/c delete, 17 in wheels etc I'm resigned to the fact that I cost myself 25k or so in value by building the car I wanted. So what? Sure, that's not pocket change, but I didn't buy the car as an investment, and its brought me joy.

As to what your particular car is worth, I agree the market has spoken. If the 70k isn't enough to make up for the loss of the car, by all means keep it.

KFC911 · 05-27-2025, 05:42 AM

Just keep it

I don't think most of us view our "babies" as an investment vehicle for making big bucks.

This prolly doesn't apply to Wayne

.... and good for him too

Different strokes...

gregpark · 05-27-2025, 06:01 AM

Think I'll keep it. I put a lot of heart into modifying and it would pain me to return it to stock form. Besides, it makes me smile a little when I open the garage door.

Scott Douglas · Scott Douglas's Garage

Greg, sorry it didn't do as well as you expected.

One or two of the things I noticed in going over your listing on BAT just now that really stood out to me.
1. You're missing a very important piece of rubber along the license plate panel to trunk shut panel. Without it the fan is going to draw hot air in from under the car.
2. The overspray/paint on the latches and latch receivers and the engine sound pad make it look like the paint job wasn't as careful as it could have been.

Other than that it's really my kind of car. I'd probably come up with a carb setup for it too, but love the idea of FI as it's a lot more drivable I'm sure.

speeder · speeder's Garage

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Originally Posted by gregpark

Think I'll keep it. I put a lot of heart into modifying and it would pain me to return it to stock form. Besides, it makes me smile a little when I open the garage door.

How would you return it to stock form? Do you have access to the original engine and parts, or a different 1967 engine?

I agree that it's a pretty car. You make a good point about being able to find another one in the same condition and that you know this car. I just don't agree that it's worth a penny more than the bids on BaT...that is the highest paying pool of buyers for a 911 on earth. Enjoy the car, you got a free valuation!