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[rattlsnak]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

Can someone explain this to me? I'm seeing more of this... super wide wheels with narrow tires squeezed onto them.

Is this a style thing? I can't imagine the car would perform very well with the tires set up like that.

Its not so much as a style thing, its more stupidity. But that stupidity has turned into a styling effect. I have been to a few local cruise ins and asked some of my son's friends. They have no idea what size wheels/offsets work on their cars so they buy wheels and this is the only way to make them fit under the fenders. That and crazy negative camber.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by rattlsnak

Its not so much as a style thing, its more stupidity. But that stupidity has turned into a styling effect. I have been to a few local cruise ins and asked some of my son's friends. They have no idea what size wheels/offsets work on their cars so they buy wheels and this is the only way to make them fit under the fenders. That and crazy negative camber.

Yes, with my new small sportscar there are a few people who do this with their cars. When I bought new wheels and tires I made up a spreadsheet of sizes and weights. From the factory the first gen. Miatas came with 6"X14", I wanted to go to 7.5"x16" but was told the weight would have a negative effect on the handleing so I 'upgraded' to 6.5"x15". I was also told that at 8" there would be rubbing and the fenders would need to be rolled... now I hear of guys running 9" anf 10" wide wheels

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[GH85Carrera]

[John Rogers]

The large rim bead has been around for a long time and I think it was originally to help protect the side of the tire? Here are a couple of pictures of Porsches from 1997 that show the factory used rims like this......not so dumb after all?

[GH85Carrera]

[masraum]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

Yes, with my new small sportscar there are a few people who do this with their cars. When I bought new wheels and tires I made up a spreadsheet of sizes and weights. From the factory the first gen. Miatas came with 6"X14", I wanted to go to 7.5"x16" but was told the weight would have a negative effect on the handleing so I 'upgraded' to 6.5"x15". I was also told that at 8" there would be rubbing and the fenders would need to be rolled... now I hear of guys running 9" anf 10" wide wheels

On my old '97, I went from the stock 14x6 to 15x6.5. When we bought the '99 that my wife drove it had 15x7. My MSM came stock with 17x7, and I promptly replaced those with 15x8, but I think the NB could more easily run the wider wheels than the NA.

The stupid small tires on huge wheels are part of the "stance" craze, and I think came about so they could put wide wheels under an over-lowered car without rubbing.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by john rogers

The large rim bead has been around for a long time and I think it was originally to help protect the side of the tire? Here are a couple of pictures of Porsches from 1997 that show the factory used rims like this......not so dump after all?

Were they limited to a maximum size of tire?

[GH85Carrera]

[masraum]

Originally Posted by john rogers

The large rim bead has been around for a long time and I think it was originally to help protect the side of the tire? Here are a couple of pictures of Porsches from 1997 that show the factory used rims like this......not so dump after all?

Actually, yes it is. It's not that the bead is over sized, it's that the tires are undersized for the wheels, and it's taken to the extreme.







From Stanced.

Poke — The extension of the wheel lip even with, or past the fender line. Poke can be achieved with spacers or, in the case of modular wheels, wider outers. Poke can be excessive, depending on other variable measurments poke can detract from Stance.

Stretch — The use of a tire that is more narrow than the wheel. In order to mount these tires one must “stretch” them beyond their normal design constraints. {Sr}

Damage — The lack of damage is not a penalty when talking about Stance, but damage as a direct result of Stance is seen as a form of Stance in itself. Like the enherinet hangover associated with drinking too much, damage seems to be an acceptable side effect of Stance. Like a hangover, damage hurts at first, but is then worn as a badge of honor. Fender damage from the effects of Gap, or mechanical failure of oilpans as a function of Low, and damage in the vain of Style are all acceptable forms of damage. {D}

Tuck — When Gap becomes a negative number. Used only in reference to wheel lip.

[GH85Carrera]

[javadog]

Originally Posted by john rogers

The large rim bead has been around for a long time and I think it was originally to help protect the side of the tire? Here are a couple of pictures of Porsches from 1997 that show the factory used rims like this......not so dump after all?

There is sometimes a rubber strip on the outside wall of the tire that is intended to protect the rim from rubbing. Not really effective, but that's the popular theory. Race tires are often of a slightly different construction than strret tires and can use wider rims than street tires. In general, a street tire can use a maximum wheel width that's close to the tread width (not the section width). This is usually true within a half inch, or so. Those wheels look to be at least two inches too wide for the tires.

More stupidty, from the "stance" nation:

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by masraum

On my old '97, I went from the stock 14x6 to 15x6.5. When we bought the '99 that my wife drove it had 15x7. My MSM came stock with 17x7, and I promptly replaced those with 15x8, but I think the NB could more easily run the wider wheels than the NA.

The stupid small tires on huge wheels are part of the "stance" craze, and I think came about so they could put wide wheels under an over-lowered car without rubbing.

Yes, I believe the later models can handle wider rims (however I am still a noob in the Miata world so don't take my word for anything).

I'm kinda kicking myself for not going with the 15x7.5's I was looking at, however the tire I have is a 205 and is has a straight sidewall, I'm guessing I could go to a 215 (or maybe a 225?) with no problem.


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[joescoolcustms]

Originally Posted by javadog

There is sometimes a rubber strip on the outside wall of the tire that is intended to protect the rim from rubbing. Not really effective, but that's the popular theory. Race tires are often of a slightly different construction than strret tires and can use wider rims than street tires. In general, a street tire can use a maximum wheel width that's close to the tread width (not the section width). This is usually true within a half inch, or so. Those wheels look to be at least two inches too wide for the tires.

More stupidty, from the "stance" nation:

I guess every generation has a choice of how they like their ride to look. Just as a younger generation thinks the previous generation is Lame. I grew up a little late for the 70's tires hanging out from under the lips with the Big and Little look, but to old for the pro street look.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by joescoolcustms

I guess every generation has a choice of how they like their ride to look. Just as a younger generation thinks the previous generation is Lame. I grew up a little late for the 70's tires hanging out from under the lips with the Big and Little look, but to old for the pro street look.

Whatchu talkin bout willis?

[GH85Carrera]

^^^^And since the thing is running I bet it is worth more than my 911. ^^^

[Rednine11]

The Joe Dirt car is NOT a real Daytona.
It started out as a very nice 69 Charger RT that was bought and the nose cone, rear spoiler and window plug was added. They actually used part of a hatch back out of a Vega to make the rear window plug so it would flush mount like the original Daytona did. I had the opportunity to see this car in person and I went over every inch of it. They only made it appear trashed, it was actually a nice car aside from the obvious. regardless a matching number 69 RT 440 charger is worth in the neighborhood of 40 k -70 k depending on condition. Obviously less if its a beater.
not sure where this one falls but it is movie car too so who knows..

[Nostril Cheese]

[porsche930dude]

My brother stretched his tires preety good on the buggy and his beetle. i think theyre 215s on 10" wheels. too cheap to buy tires lol but they work .

[masraum]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

Yes, I believe the later models can handle wider rims (however I am still a noob in the Miata world so don't take my word for anything).

I'm kinda kicking myself for not going with the 15x7.5's I was looking at, however the tire I have is a 205 and is has a straight sidewall, I'm guessing I could go to a 215 (or maybe a 225?) with no problem.

The general consensus is that for a 15", 15x6 or 15x6.5, the best tire from a handling perspective is 195 50, and for 15 x 7 up to about 15 x 8, 205 50. I'm running a 205 50 on 15 x 8. I prefer a slightly (nothing like in the crazy pics above) slimmer tire. Back when I had my 911, the PO had put 245 50 16 on the stock 16 x 7 rears. They looked great, but I don't think they offered the best performance and they didn't wear evenly, and that was, I believe, due to being over-sized for the wheels.

There's a guy that I see pretty regularly on the way to work in a big diesel dually truck that appears to be running a 16" wide tire on an 8" wide wheel. It looks as bizarre as the tires the "stance" crowd is running.
This picture really doesn't do it justice.



I also see this look pretty regularly



Another favorite look from the Houston streets

[billjam]

Originally Posted by masraum

Another favorite look from the Houston streets

How can that be legal?
Do they really have ice on bridges in Houston?