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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Japan came back in a short time ONLY because we spent BILLIONS of dollars rebuilding them after the war. If we had been like most victors of a war it would have taken decades longer. We did for same for Germany and France and many countries. Now those three allies are very rich and powerful countries instead of being a third world country.

erratum... "loaned" is not a synonym for "spent"; i.e. the Marshall Plan. War has been an export business for North America. At the end of WW2, ramped up industrial capacity needed consumptive capacity to keep the good times rolling. Hence the Marshall Plan (loaning $ to Europe to rebuild), etc. That Germany and Japan, et al became amazing industrial powers very quickly after WW2 is a credit to their capacity to build and succeed. Military service in Europe during the 60's showed me the difference between war recovery in the UK and Germany. Evidence of war in Germany was almost non-existent 15 years after virtually complete destruction yet downtown London still showed much evidence (actually years older) of bombing.

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[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Purrybonker

erratum... "loaned" is not a synonym for "spent"; i.e. the Marshall Plan. War has been an export business for North America. At the end of WW2, ramped up industrial capacity needed consumptive capacity to keep the good times rolling. Hence the Marshall Plan (loaning $ to Europe to rebuild), etc. That Germany and Japan, et al became amazing industrial powers very quickly after WW2 is a credit to their capacity to build and succeed. Military service in Europe during the 60's showed me the difference between war recovery in the UK and Germany. Evidence of war in Germany was almost non-existent 15 years after virtually complete destruction yet downtown London still showed much evidence (actually years older) of bombing.

Give credit where due...

No doubt, the citizens of those countries had a tough row to hoe after WW2. Great Brittan just finished repaying some of those loans in 2006. The French still owe quite a lot. Outside of that debt from the Marshall plan we (US taxpayers) have spent many many billions in keeping our military in Germany, Japan, Great Brittan, and many other places and the taxpayers of those countries did not have to pay for that defense of "big Uncle Sam"

The US might not have defeated the British (the second time) had it not been for French help in 1812. Brittan stood alone against Hitler and it was indeed one of their finest hours and the world owes them a great deal for delaying Hitler at the time.

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[svandamme]

Originally Posted by Purrybonker

erratum... "loaned" is not a synonym for "spent"; i.e. the Marshall Plan. War has been an export business for North America. At the end of WW2, ramped up industrial capacity needed consumptive capacity to keep the good times rolling. Hence the Marshall Plan (loaning $ to Europe to rebuild), etc. That Germany and Japan, et al became amazing industrial powers very quickly after WW2 is a credit to their capacity to build and succeed. Military service in Europe during the 60's showed me the difference between war recovery in the UK and Germany. Evidence of war in Germany was almost non-existent 15 years after virtually complete destruction yet downtown London still showed much evidence (actually years older) of bombing.

Give credit where due...

Keep in mind that UK apart from Marshal plan support and loans also had the Lend-Lease dept to repay.

Germany did not accrue any such debt during the war as they pretty much robbed Europe to fund their side of the war.. (and were ultimately outspent by the US and UK)

They did however get hammered by reparations, but those got taken in the form of dismantled factories and german forced labor..
They did not carry as much debt as the UK did. The German forced labor bit , was a good thing for them as those mouths did not have to be fed at home. less unemployment and such.
And in 1953 their debt got reshuffled, and reparration dismantaling stopped as Germany became the front line for the Cold War againt the russians..

A lot of US bases were built which did good for their cash flow as well.

UK might have in the "won the war" camp, but economically they got a **** deal. They went from WW2 to Cold War spending, independence of colonies and in the end They payed off all their debts.

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Aug 3, 2018
Here are some goats wreaking havoc on a Boise neighborhood
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