"respect the individuals right to do what he/she wishes, this is america after all"

"Get off your high horse, live and let live, Your Rights end at the begining of my nose."

What a crock...smoking is a filthy, disgusting, and dangerous habit and inflicting it on others is the epitome of self-centered rudeness.

How was that? After 30 years of smoking 2 packs of Kools a day and being smoke free for the last year, I'm practicing being a holier-than-thou non-smoker.

By the way, over the years I've thrown 1000's of butts out the window...I apologize.

did we say we blow smoke in your face..........no we didn't.
i respect your decisions as you (and everyone) should respect mine (ours) reguardless of how "filthy" it is.....period.
like was said........if it says non-smoking, then no smoka.........you know where to sit as do we :)

"By the way, over the years I've thrown 1000's of butts out the window...I apologize."

LOL

Back in my younger days when all I had was a motorcycle to ride I actually had a tossed cigarette bounce up, hit me in my chest and fall into my crotch.

Lets just say I was quite pissed and grabbed that butt and snuffed it asap.

When I caught up to that car at the next red light I pulled right up to that ****ers window, got his attention and chucked that thing at his face.

I only wish that his window was down when this happened. :(

Wow, thats exactly what Im talking about:D I once tossed a 13mm socket out the window at some f#<& that almost ran me off the road...also pulled the penny deal a couple times. However, I would never do anything to a fellow P-car.

When I ride I keep a handful of rusty nuts and bolts in my jacket pocket for just that reason.

Smokers Rights! I don't want to miss out on any of my "rights" as a free proud American. Can someone please suggest a good brand and maybe how many I should smoke per day. Thanks in advance.

I must have missed the amendment that guarantees our right to flick flammable debris onto the roadways the last time I read the constitution. :rolleyes:

You need to turn off your browsers sarcasm filter

I say... smoke the bong in the car...theres nothing to flick out the window when your done. ;)

Does it mean I'm a smoker when I install a 911 exhaust smoke machine to screw up the tailgaters,
huh ?

Regretfully, I smoke. And, I smoke in my 911. Let me tell you though, the first time I hit some twisties and had a butt in my hand I d@mn near wrapped the car around a tree. Guess I get it from my dad who used to smoke while driving. He even lit up the back seat one time in our family car when he tossed a lit butt out the window and it was sucked back into the car. He apologizes as well.

I have had someone in front of me throw a cig out their window, had the thing lodge somewhere in the front of my car (not the 911) so that the 60 mph wind cause the thing to burn through the rest of the cig and then the filter. Unfortunately the smoke from all of that burning ended up coming right through my vents. I was PISSED. Have you ever smelled a burnt filter?? Not pleasant, but as much as I hate people throughing cigs out there window, I'm not about to throw pennies, nuts, bolts, etc out of my window at them.

I hate smoking and never have, but that seems extreme. Especially these days when people are willing to shoot and kill for next to no reason.

But for every person that does throw butts out side or out of their car wouldn't you just love to dump a really big ashtray full of butts, some lit, into their driver's seat or on top of their couch or bed. THAT seems a fitting repayment.

Hey, this thread reminded me of something: I have to go out and have a smoke. SmileWavy

With today's cigarette taxes, please be kind to smokers...think of it as them being patriotic..

This all goes back to our police force -- they're too busy trying to figure out who's speeding to worry about the ones who are risking people's lives and property by tossing flaming embers around on the roads. Maybe if they weren't so preoccupied with stupid things, we could persuade them to do something useful?

As to the "rights" argument -- yes, you do have the right to smoke in your own house. You also have the right to smoke in posted smoking places. You can even smoke in your own car, if you want. Heck, you can smoke in a posted hotel room, or in a rental car, if you like. But when you leave a hazardous ember in the airstream behind your car, you put other people at risk -- your rights have just reached their limits, as they have just imposed upon my space.

Do I hate smokers? No, I know a bunch, and they're a pretty reasonable cross-section of society. Only problem is that every once in a while, there's some @#$% smoker who does something stupid and gets the whole lot of smokers a bad reputation. Same could be said of Porsche owners, come to think of it.

Dan


PS -- having just finished my first valve adjustment, I now have a nice big collection of 13mm nuts and washers that I don't know what to do with. This thread just gave me a _great_ idea. :)

SmileWavy Okay, I'm back. Did I miss anything?

As a smoker here's what I propose should be done:

1) On each pack of cancer put a picture of a dying man with lung cancer saying "smoking kills"

2) On candy bars, put pictures of rotten, disgusting teeth saying "candies destroy your teeth"

3) On each can of beer and liquor bottle, put pictures of a car accident victim with missing limbs bleeding to death on the side of the road saying "drinking kills"

4) On every shirt, hats and Nike shoes, put pictures of 10yo slaves who are sewing them in a dark cave somewhere in Taiwan for $0.10 a day so we can wear them and throw them out after 6 months when they're no longer fashionable.

5) At the gas pump put pictures of detroyed oceans and dying animals, or even picture of 6yo kids in the middle east who's lives, countries and families have been destroyed by wars so we can go steal their oil.

Sorry I think I'm getting pissed now...how about we do this:

On every dollar bill print this: "Harmful to humanity"

I'm gonna go have a smoke...


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Me too...

To quote Steve Martin:
"Mind if I smoke?
No, mind if I fart?"


Best line in this thread
;)

"Moving To Montana Soon
Gonna Be A Dental Floss Tycoon"
FZ

I miss ol' Frank. Use to hang out with Ike Willis years ago.

Smoke 'em if ya got 'em, then take care of your own butt! You won't see me flinging my stinky old toilet paper on the ground! Or out the window... or around my campsite...or... ;) SmileWavy

OK. Time to move this thread to OT:p

If in fact people were only hurting themselves, then that would be fine. But the health problems associated with smoking burdens the health care and insurance system. So those taxes are just helping to even things out. Obesity is the biggest problem though...and growing (pun intended).

And as an ex-smoker, I used to ride my high horse. Or light it up.

Frank smoked. Frank died of cancer. I liked Frank. :(

Yeah...I was listening to "The Yellow Shark" just yesterday.
Frank had undiagnosed prostate cancer. It was way too late when discovered. I was with Ike the night he got the call. :( It was a tough night...really a hard blow.

Yes Frank did smoke. He was onced asked why he smoked cigarettes and drank coffee when he was against drug use. (or against trendy chemical amusement aid.)

His response?
"These are food. I survive by eating these things (holding up a cigarette) and drinking this black water."

Glad you appreciated Frank. He was tremendously talented and a true original.

I agree most smokers are oblivious.

And occasionally you get the ones who are not -- like the guy who laid a burning cigarette on my Porsche's hood last year at the Long Beach Grand Prix.

I don't think your car will catch fire just because you drive over a lit cigarette.

However now that we're talking smokers. I'm certainly not the kind of person who wants a witch hunt on smokers. Not at all, but....!

Smokers really need to show respect for their surroundings! Sometimes I have smoking costumers in my shop. They are there for maybe 10 minuttes yet still they *must* smoke....are you smokers that reliant!?

Every time, when they've left, I'm stuck in the stench thank you very much. Needless to say I'm a non smoker. There's also ashes on the floor in spite of the costumer ash tray visible on the front table.... :rolleyes: Pigs!

And as the start of this thread mentions, smokers often throw their lit cigarettes out the car window. Annoying! Do you see me throwing candy bar paper out the window or the leftovers from a burger??

Ahh that was good to get out of the system ;)

We're not supposed to throw 'em out the window?

Is that was Ashtrays are for?

Christ, and here I thought they were just to put a little momento of sweet old granny in there for luck.


Umm, can you guys keep that to yourselves?

I sure as hell don't miss smoking in restaurants. To me it's disgusting to inhale second-hand smoke while one is trying to eat their bacon and eggs or whatever.

Hey, what city up in Northern CA is it - San Luis Obispo - I think, that tried to ban smoking EVERYWHERE?

I also heard there was a mandatory birkenstock law up there too - it was the only style-shoe allowable in public...

I used the cost of smoking on society as the subject on a recent term paper I wrote in college (I've been going for about 18 years now:)) and I did quite a bit of research on the subject. I received an A on it too (patting myself on the back).
The conclusion was that cigarette smoking was actually profitable for the U.S. government. Smokers typically have a shorter lifespan that non-smokers, and smokers collect much less social security that non-smokers. Smokers who die usually are near the latter stages of life and do not have minor children, again less drain on social security.

In addition, the total medical costs for a smoker are almost 8% less than those of a non-smoker. Lets face it, If I'm a non-smoker and live to be 90 I will probably spend more time in my life sitting in a doctor's office that a smoker who lives to 68. Add it all up and smokers cost less than non-smokers, even before the ridiculously high taxes are tacked on. Most of this was documented in studies by the surgeon general's department. It is public record if anyone wants to spend the time to dig.

Ironically fixed rate taxation is often thought of as unfair because the poor pay a higher percentage of income than wealthy people. Minorities are more effected by tobacco taxation that the majority, but I don't remember seeing Revs. Jackson or Sharpton getting all indignant about it. Where is the ACLU when someone actually thinks they might do some good for a change?
I guess that have decided they are no match for the health nazis who are so much better than everyone else it is their responsibility to tell others what they should and shouldn't do and how others should live their lives. Maybe they should look real hard at their own lives, people in glass houses and all that. How many of the posters here who have blasted smokers are so close to perfection that they can openly criticize a fault or weakness in others?

I still remember laughing out loud at irony in action several years ago as I watched a woman who obviously tipped the scales at well over 300 pounds asking a smoker if he knew that cigarette smoking was bad for his health.
He should have said so were big macs. Her obesity should not be a cause of ridicule, but an example of the tend in our society. We are actively being brainwashed in an attempt to punish smokers. it didn't use to be a big deal, now it is. Why is that? In California 25 cents per pack is spent in a huge advertising program to convince John Q. Public that smoking is bad, smokers are bad, tobacco companies are bad, and the exceutives of tobacco companies are murderers and criminals.
If in fact any of you agree with these items, it would apear the brainwashing is successfull. If any of you are health nazis dedicated to making decisions for others, you win.
After cigarettes, i suggest you maintain form and go after soft drinks, alcohol, candy bars, heck go after all sugar just for kicks. Ban it for the good of all of us. After that I'd bet its only a matter of time before you as a group decide that sports cars are too dangerous and you try to get rid of them. Yup, that way you can kill two birds with one stone:
Smoking porsche drivers.
I feel better now.

Some good points Sam, but the fact remains that Alcohol, candy bars and junk food do not directly harm others than the consumer.

As for smokers thinking they have some right to litter all over the place, that p!sses me off too :@, nearly as bad as having to share the same air as them.

The UK is a bit behind the US in the villification of smokers, but is way better than most of continental Europe, where it is still mega popular. I read that they tried to ban smoking in bars in Athens for the olympics, but it was widely disregarded as smoking is like the national pastime in Greece.

They do that to keep the ash tray clean! Resale value! "Never smoked in".

And as mentioned before, I think to a certain point, those folks may be disgusted by their own butts?

It is real dangerous if smokers throw the cig butts out the window at night. It can really startle you until you realize WTF is going on a second later.

So, what do we learn from this? NEVER DRIVE BEHIND ANOTHER CAR! Always pass them! What's the 911 for? :D

George

I read a BusinessWeek article a few years ago that confirmed your paper and estimated the total savings.

I really don't have a problem with people smoking. I have a problem with people who will discard something on the street that they wouldn't think of discarding on their own front step.

And don't get me started on people without the common courtesy to exert the minimal effort required to use a turn signal.

"How lazy are people? Why don't they just put the cigarette butt in the ash tray they throw it away when they get home/where ever."

A lot of cars I've owned didn't have ashtrays. I used to have a problem with throwing ashtrays at stupid drivers...I'm much better now.

Light up or leave me alone!

The detrimental effects of second-hand smoke were reported in a paper gublished 15 or 20 years ago. The cause was taken up by various groups who used the findings to blame smoking on everything from lung cancer to global warming. The paper has since been shown to be flawed in it's conclusions. I know a lot of old bartenders and sheesh, have you seen flight attendants lately? We like to blame everyone else for our troubles, seems like the farther west you go (anecdotal), the worse it gets. I really like the "I'm allergic to smoke" dealie. What the hell did you people do when there were no non-smoking areas? Hotels, airlines, restaurants, you must have all stayed in a bubble to survive. I was in a park last summer, smoking (AND drinking - gasp!) no less than 30 feet downwind of a woman who felt compelled to tell me how my smoke bothered her. She however, was sitting 10 feet downwind of a running diesel.
Try lighting gasoline with a lit cigarrete. Don't work.
Do you think all of the guys on the sie of the road are filling all of those trash bags with cigarrete butts. How 'bout wrappers and cups and anti-smoking leaflets.....
Not everyone who smokes is an *********. There are planty of self-righteous non-smoking people out there too.

Grow up, whiners....

Judge Smails - "Don't you people have homes?"

"Not everyone who smokes is an *********."

"Grow up, whiners...."

So, when you change the "ss" to $$ in "*********", it changes the meaning???

someone sitting and drinking or eating generally doesn't emanate disgusting fumes that directly affects me (well, maybe tabs does, but that is another story). Smoking does.

While you can point to "flawed studies", if you don't believe that smoking puts you at a higher risk for a number of diseases, then you are living in a fool's paradise. If you smoke, are you guaranteed to get cancer? Of course not...too many variables in the makeup of the human body. Are you more likely to get cancer, emphasema, etc? Yes. Do you have the right to expose me to the same risk in public? I think not. You may think otherwise. That's why we have laws and a legislative process.

Not whining, just stating an opinion.

you're absolutely right.....you have the right to smoke

No condemnation of smokers here,

I just get annoyed when I have to dodge fireballs on the highway

My mom and dad both started smoking in their early teens. Mom died of a stroke. Dad died of pulmonary fibrosis. I sometimes wonder how much more time we all would have had together if they had not smoked. My mom never got to meet my wife. My daughter never had a chance to know either of them.

I've known smokers who claimed to be a "thoughtful smoker;" one who smokes so it doesn't affect others. Smokers - your illness and premature death WILL affect others - those closest to you. Trust me on this. Trust me.