speed channel and MTV wtf?!?!?

[Frank B]

Speed channel and MTV have apparently joined forces in a new series that I accidentally stumbled upon.
Pimp my ride, and Tuners are a series where a group of "renegade" mechanics team up and transform factory (honda,Toyota,Mazda) cars into "STREET MACHINES"
THis is probablly the single most ridiculous programming venture that I've probablly ever witnessed, more so than the Donnie and Marie show.
I watched both of these programs and basically felt empty afterwards save for some anger towards the J.O.'s that owned the cars that believed that adding a graphics kit, 20's and nitros to their cars was "Tweakin' YO!"
Compare those programs to my classic car and hotrod Television where cars are actually prepared appropriatly for higher speed ventures and not driving dangerously on our streets. At the end of one of the programs (the one with the new FUGLY RX8) the guy who owned the car drove off like a retard and almost slammed into a telephone pole at the end of the parking lot chosen for his unveiling. I saw it again and that part was edited out to protect their message I'd guess.
My 11 and 9 year old watched the program with the RX8 and didn't get it at all, they thought the car looked worse after the Mods had been implemented and didn't understand the guys attitude towards his car. Basically he was a dork at the beginning of the show and dorkier after he got his supposed cooler than he was car.
They thought it was pretty stupid.

I don't understand why everyone is freaking out at Howard Stern and Janet Jackson, they should be more concerned at how our news casters are dressing and what is being jammed down their throats on prime time television. Powell Jr can bite my ass if he thinks he's doing anyone a favor by sensoring the media, he's looking in the wrong direction ala, Napoleon.Crusaders are Notorious for doing more Damage than assisting the masses.
Frank B

[Sabyre]

I couldn't agee more!

A MEN!

[944 fanatic]

FWIW - I saw that RX-8 and it ledft me thinking "so...'tuned' is really nothing more than a bottle of NOS and some stickers?..."

It was sad - I'm glad I didn't watch the whole damn show.

[Frank B]

exactly my point. it's just more shallow Bull***** that teenagers are buying. NOt all teenagers obviously, but more than I'd guessed initially. I see more "tweaked" Honda's and Cavaliers on the road now than I did last fall, and 90% of them drive like their late for a date with a crackpipe somewhere. Most of who I see pulled over is some kid in a winged bodykitted hyundai or 15 year old Accord with 20's blingin' away.
I'm glad that Pennsylvania is raising their driving age. I wish they'd riase it higher.

[dj_yen]

why is their so much hatred towards the current tuner market in this forum? i can't stand fart-cans and big spoliers as much as you guys do but who cares wtf teenagers, speed channel, and mtv does. it frankly surprises and makes me wonder why some of you seem to get so personally offended by these shows/trends

[will944]

Originally posted by dj_yen
why is their so much hatred towards the current tuner market in this forum? i can't stand fart-cans and big spoliers as much as you guys do but who cares wtf teenagers, speed channel, and mtv does. it frankly surprises and makes me wonder why some of you seem to get so personally offended by these shows/trends

I agree! Don't get all upset over this....look at it as something to laugh at. I haven't seen it yet...but I look forward to laughing at these clowns who think they've "got one phat whip"....haha

The only time to get upset about it is when some kid sends in an application to the show for his 944....at that point we should get really mad!!!

Comparing this to Janet Jackson's move is a stretch.....

[CJFusco]

I hate ricers and I hate the ricer trend, mostly because hardly any ricers know what they're doing but act like they do. Most of the time they slap on a few decals, a tacky body kit, a coffee-can exhaust, and an unpainted rear wing, along with minimal "tuning" - "cold-air" intake, et al - and actually drive around challenging people to race. Like I've said all along, all my respect to the guy that can turn a Civic into a 10-second car... but most ricemobiles are probably SLOWER than stock thanks to all the added weight (and downforce from the wing). Ignorance and poseurs are what I hate.

That being said, I've caught one episode of the show on MTV... a kid wanted his Diahatsu van turned into a pimpmobile. The good news is that they never claimed to be "tuning" anything; the bad news is that the impression they gave of this white kid was that he was trying to copy urban culture, when it was pretty obvious that the pimped van was sort of a joke to him. Oh well, better a Diahatsu van than yet another Honda Civic

[Sabyre]

Society is going to hell! The more we turn our heads away the worse it gets. These sort of things warp the minds of the younger generation. Money talks! Stations such as MTV will go where the money is. Sex, drugs, violence, vandolism, etc. MTV used to be about the music, now its about what sells.

The more we look the other way and permit more things, the worse it will get.

The world is filled with greedy stupid people!

[Frank B]

Guys, the fact that Janet Jackson flashed her left Jug on television to get a reaction is no different than anyone on the evening news wearing a low cut blouse the objective is to just get your attention. The purpose of MTV gettiing involved in something like a car show is simple, it's popular. They'll do anything to hype something they feel they can garner an added dollar from. Giving kids the impression that modifying a "very safe" factory car like a honda or toyota or.. whatever make car into a street machine is as dangerous as just handing out guns and grenades to irresponsible people whith no regard for safety. The premis is to "Kick Ass" with their new street machine, which means speeding racing. blowing yellow and redlights all in favor of breakin the rules. I think the comparison between Janet Jackson, howard Stern and useless/dangerous "Tuner" shows is definately a good debate. It shows us that our government wants us to keep on speeding, driving recklessly but god forbid you see a nipple on television or hear howard stern say the word Penis on the radio, the reason the government is pissed and putting the hammer down is simple, they can't make money off of it, but, they can make money off of insurance companies who have for decades given kickbacks to the state, and oil sales in the form of gasoline, so they'll let just about anyone drive even if they're not old enough to buy a gun, which is less dangerous than driving a car.
You're crazy if you disagree with me and don't see the point. If you do disagree you've obviously been had again by our wonderful Free political system.

Frank

[dj_yen]

i'm don't disagree with you, frank, but i just don't understand the anger. it's obvious you have very strong opinions and criticisms regarding our current society but in my experience anger doesn't help and only stresses yourself out more. why not take a more noble route and offer suggestions/solutions and look to inspire instead of criticizing.

[will944]

hahahaha...MTV WILL do anything to make $$...can't disagree there....

Move to Europe Frank.....maybe there the government won't be stealing money from stupid kids like they are here.

951 - MINE!!
Opinion - MINE!!
Low Insurance Premium - MINE!!

[Frank B]

who said I was Angry? I'm just disgusted in regards to what people hold in high regard, anyone who defends these street machine shows is a total moron, these aren't track cars they're "street" machines. Everytime I see one of these numbskulls on the road I get out of the way because I have no idea what he/she is going to do, like weave in and out of traffic, wait a few seconds before leaving a traffic light just to rev up the engine and peel away like his heroes in Fast and the Furious, it's stupid and done with blatant disregard for anyone's safety including his/her own. Believe me I'm not angry, I'm terrified. My kids think Janet Jackson didn't need to do that and thought she was cool before the boobie flash, now they think she's as wacked as her brother and sister (latoya) are. I'm for changing the channel or radio station, but you can't just close your eyes when you are driving and ignore what is going on right in front of or behind you, because you'll become another statistic that your insurance company uses to raise your rates.
NOt angry,
Frank

[VINMAN]

Originally posted by Sabyre
Society is going to hell! The more we turn our heads away the worse it gets. These sort of things warp the minds of the younger generation. Money talks! Stations such as MTV will go where the money is. Sex, drugs, violence, vandolism, etc. MTV used to be about the music, now its about what sells.

The more we look the other way and permit more things, the worse it will get.

The world is filled with greedy stupid people!

Sabyre, I couldnt agree with you more!!

People are jumping up and down about Howard Stern, and what a pig he is. The crap you see on MTV and such is way more offensive and harmful.Nobody *****es about that? Kids today are taught that "flash"and money is all that matters.
You have pro athletes, especially basketball players that are convicted criminals, that are made to look like heros. Rap"stars" are idolized even though they are drug dealers and violent criminals who buy thier way out of trouble. I open the newspaper and see the headline "Rap star so and so shot to death" "Star"???, the guy is a noname local thug who is only known by his few friends. but the media has to put this crap on the front pages. Nine times out of ten he got shot because he was involved in some kind of criminal activity. Just so nobody thinks im being racist, the biggest lowlife out there has to be Eminem, my kid came home with his CD one day , I freaked out, i took it snapped it in half, and gave him the money for it. I sat down and tried to explain to him what a lowlife dirtbag he is. Of course it went right out the other ear but. at least i tried.

Unfortunately It's only gonna get worse , society has takin a downhill ride and has lost it's brakes.

[dj_yen]

it's soooo easy to criticize "society" and talk about how bad it has become but it is only reflection on us, especially regarding the media. we can all agree that the programming the media chooses is all driven by money therefore they are gonna show what we want to see hence we only have ourselves to blame. again, using the janet jackson fiasco as an example, the fact that we are discussing it right now in a porsche forum means that we are allowing those MTV execs. to succeed. why not rise above it and simply turn our heads like we would if a dog was taking a s**t on the ground.

[Frank B]

Well done Vin.
I am musician, and been involved in several hip hip/R&B sessions as well as rock and new age stuff.. I've pretty much experienced it all.
MOst of the Hip Hop guys I've worked with are pretty much underpriviledged individuals that are dissillusioned about they're current state of affairs, they live in a slum and wear $180.00 sneakers and wear more jewelry than my grandmother did when she was alive, (which says alot) THey don't have a clue as to what is really going on in the world, just what's happening on MTV and their neighborhood, and this is reffering to any type of hip hop musician, black white yellow whatever. I've seen almost no difference in anyone of them, they like the whole Jigga B!tch lifestyle and act like Gangstas until a real Gangster show up to discuss the money situation then they freeze knowing they've been had.
The rock guys aren't too swift either but are way more concerned about they're girlfriends drug problems and whether or not their cats have been fed today or not. The R&B guys are the best in my opinion, they have it down, show up, make alot of noise and boss everyone around including their "Artists", they take the cake period.
As far as race goes, it doesn't matter what color you are if you act like a total Jerk0ff then you are one, it's pretty simple. I've been treated horribly by black and white individulas until they learn to "trust" me and let me in to their secret societty because I was white, this was done to me by all colors of people. It's all based on fear because these people aren't usually used to being challenged and confront everything that opposes them with anger and retribution... ala the gangsta lifestyle.
MTV utilizes this culture flaw and turns it into a fashion trend to sell advertising and make money, they don't give a rats ass about anyone except their lawyers and their bottom line, so of course MTV will stab Janet Jackson in the back, her record sales are low. I let my kids listen to anything they want to because it's just music and it's art. Listen to a radio station or watching televion never hurt anyone, but running a redlight and plowing into a minivan full of kids and a dog definately does more damage.
I think Devo said it best with their song "freedom of choice"
Frank

[Frank B]

Oh and I am referring to society, and It's getting scary.
Everything is extreme even sports. Mountain biking is extreme now... well, actually it's alot safer now than it was when it wasn't considered extreme but considered insane and "why aould want to do that?!?!" Riding bikes down hills wih no suspension save for your arms and legs at speeds rivaling motorcycles. THat was nuts, and fun, noone hurt anyone else and we lived the life of that era. NOw it's all about Mountain dew, tatoos and peircings. It's a fraud, period, your cool because the media says you are, which actually makes you a fraud.
Anyone see the club Chalupa commercial for Tacobell?.. that's really bad, overeating at a fast food restaurant is more appropriate than actually socializing with your peers. Here sit down and eat!! and eat more!! Everything is over the topincluding the war against what the powers that be deem as over the top..
Frank

[dj_yen]

Hip Hop guys?!?!?
Gangstas??!?!
rock guys?!?!?!
R&B guys?!?!?!?

can you stereotype anymore frank?!?!

it's obvious alot of thought has been spent on this topic but i have yet to hear a good suggestion on how any of us could help remedy this "problem". again, it's easy to criticize but it's hard yet infinitely more useful if something postive can be offered.

this is MY offering to all of you. everytime you see something you don't like, instead of b**ching about it, actually DO something about it.

[Frank B]

Yes Metal heads and Dead Heads.
Any suggestions DJyen? I've offered a suggestion I guess you didn't see it only the "stereo types" that I didn't create. YO only see the words not the message, I'm sorry you missed my point. Do you have an answer, besides my referring to the above mentioned suggestions like, self thought, personal decision making and focusing on what is really a problem. I've merely stated that our priorities are skewed to fascilitate commercial success not safety. I liked all of the Hip Hop, metla heads, and Gangstas and R&B guys I've worked with and they learned to like me, even though I was not from their neioghborhood or background, Music always brings people together it's defines Culture and defies all law and transcends generations. Labels that INdividulas pose upon themselves like, Dr. Dre ( a self proclamied gangsta) are merely a way for you to identify them, they're not Conservative musicians like the guys in Triumph ( a Canadian Power Rock trio). People of power appeal to individuals that come from nothing, which is where the whole Gangsta label came from. People who were above the laws( of music) renegades, they lived the secret life and spoke about it in their music, the violence, drugs, whores, and self worth, Police brutality.. the same things the "gangsters" dealt with when they came to this country at the turn of the century.
I've fallen victim to racism many many times in a music studio. It's part of the business, and it may never change. I ttry to Transcend cultures while playing music because you don't always need to speak to make your point sometimes all you have to do is pick up your guitar and play. which says alot more than anything I've said today.
Frank

[Sabyre]

I would love to do something about it! Facts are facts. 80% of the population falls into that category that sees these thigs acceptable. The other 20% (myself included) are over powered by the masses! I am not about to devote my life to fight against greed filled stupid people. There is a simple solution, HAVE BETTER STANDARDS.

DJ the way your sounding is theres nothing I can do about it so why not join em. Follow the masses to fit in.

I am angry, in fact i'm pissed! I'm pissed that kids need to pass through security to go to school! I'm pissed that more money is givin to welfare types that use it for drugs, instead of their children in which it was intended. I'm pissed that society cares about Janets tits, "benifer", or what britney spears is wearing to an awards show to recieve an award for something she doesnt deserve. I'm pissed at "bling". I'm pissed at 20 year olds that recieve a high school education and still can not use proper english, YO.

What a world.

What happened to hard working people that had integrity, honesty, and morals.

The world has become too user friendly and lazy!

What a croc.

Your right, I dont need to be angry. I could simply inspire, but why inspire the ignorant? The only people I owe inspiration to is my children. I owe them that, after all thats what they do for me.

[dj_yen]

Originally posted by Frank B
I ttry to Transcend cultures while playing music because you don't always need to speak to make your point sometimes all you have to do is pick up your guitar and play. which says alot more than anything I've said today.
Frank

i completely agree. being a violin teacher, it's amazing how much an excellent music education trascends not only cultures but every aspect of a person's life. what is often an initially a "hobby" can become a form of expression, form of communication, form of therapy, an exercise in discpline, exercise in listening, exercise in tolerance and in my case, a form of employment.