What Would Al Gore Do? WWAGD
 

All this talk about President Bush and his decisions about Iraq and what a bad Prez he is has me wondering....WWAGD? Faced with the same declining economy, planes crashing into buildings, a potentially dangerous mideast dick-tater, any CINC would have been challenged during this term. So let's speculate.....If the chad had hung to the left instead of the right and Senator Gore had been elected, how do you think he woulda reacted, and what would be different in the world right now?

He'd put it in a Loooock-boxxx


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First Richard Clarkes terrorist plans would have gone into effect.
Probably, but not for certain the jets would have still happened as the CIA and FBI would have been more in touch with each other, so who knows.
So if 9/11 still happened we would have still done something with the UN in Afghanistan but maybe they would have turned bin landen over with enough global pressure and economic aid.

There wouldn't be a war in Iraq thats for damn sure.
There wouldn't have been the stupid tax cuts.
There wouldn't be the half a trillion per year debt load either.

We would be getting along fine with the Global Village instead of being the Global bully who everyone hates.

Geoff

10,000 Iraqui and 600 US soldiers would still be alive.
He would have gone to Afghanistan. Any president would have. Mullah Omar and Bin Laden might have been caught, with more ressources dedicated to that, and not to the stupid and useless Iraq war.
The peace process between Israel and Palestine would be in better shape.
The french would not be poking fun at the americans :cool:

Aurel

If Gore didn't implement Clarke's suggestions for the previous years he was in office, what makes you think he would have suddenly stared doing so?

The 911 hearings have clearly shown that the Clinton justice dept imposed policies that kept the FBI and CIA from working together...again, why would you think Gore would have changed his own policy if he had been elected?

The PDB that is supposed to be the "smoking gun" tells us that Bin Laden had planned terrorist acts far in advance...and it is generrally accepted that the 911 attack wasa planned during the previous administration...why do you think it wouldn't have happened regardless of who was elected?

Yeah, that keeps me up at night too.....

With Hussein killing a hundred thousnd of his people every few years, it is actually possible that there is net gain of 90,000 Iraqis that would have been killed.

Since we now know that Bin Laden planned additional attacks like 911 on the US, sincew thwarted by the Bush administration....If only one of his attacks would have been successful, we have save approximately 2400 American lives.

The peace process seems to be going quite well now that Israel feels that it is allowed to defend itself....2 less major terrorist leaders in less than a month. Now that's progress.

The French are too busy surrendering to poke fun at anyone.

Best unintentional oxymoron of 2004. But the year is young.

Boy, the French don't like us! Oh no! What to do. Yeah, like I give a crap.

I am sure Al would have used the vast resources available on the Internet, I mean, since he invented it an all...to fight terrorism. Maybe send really harsh emails to Bin Laden and Saddam...maybe invite them to discussion groups to talk about how bad America is and how we have hurt their feelings.

Stupid tax cuts? These stupid tax cuts are responsible for getting us out of the deplorable recession brought on by the bursting of the fake economy under Klinton...add 9/11 and other stuff and we have done pretty damn well.

you mean like the fake economy we have now? The only reason it seems "strong" is that people keep going into debt to buy crap they don't really need. At some point, mortgage rates will go up, and that will dry up the "let's get a 2nd and buy a plasma screen and a new car" party, and then the year of "no interest, no payments" will come due and all the sudden personal bankruptcy will be at an all time high.

You want fries with that?

So you think the president is responsible for the condition of the economy when you are pointing out irresponsible consumer behavior? I actually agree with you with respect to consumer behavior. We consumers are silly in that regard. We run up our debt and then blame our troubles on the president lamenting that he didn't do enough for us with respect to jobs.

As for the Klinton economy, that was fabricated entirely on expectations of future fortunes which were based upon nothing...consumers went out and had the same silly debt party that they are having now.

Tax cuts work. Kennedy proved it, Reagen proved it twice (in California and then at the Federal level) and Bush will prove it. This is not a partisan issue, this is economics.

That said, NO president can tryly take credit or blame for anything that happens with the economy or jobs. Blaming a president for that is politics not economics. The people who have the most influence on our economy is the small business owner, Alan Greenspan and the average consumer.

When it comes to the question 'could anyone do worse than bush' the magic 8 ball says 'unlikely'. ;)

Why not try to answer the question instead of taking another shot at the President?

OK, back on topic, WWAGD?

Hey, you asked what what would be different in the world today.

I gave you my opinion that if anyone but bush was in that office the would probably be a better place than it is today.

If you need the details of WWAGD do why not write him an e-mail and ask him yourself.

are foregin terrorists with RPG's counted in that 10K estimate?

350, you need some anger managent for your bush issues. LOL

Anger management? LOL, if you only knew me but you don't which makes your statement even more ignorant than amusing.

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Gettin' loud. Gettin' loud.....

LOL ;)

Ed

Tax cuts works if you don't also raise government spending. Simple economics. Cut spending and cut taxes. If you raise spending and cut taxes for the rich then you are in trouble. Thats where we are now...
Oh, Reganomics were the same thing. Tax cuts for the rich and higher government spendin.
Clinton did BALANCE the budget and this amazingly help spark the economy for the longest period in the 20th Century. Wow, a Democrat did that!
IIRC Clarkes plans came at the end of Clintons time so it could have gone right into effect. The problems of the FBI and the CIA communicating go back to the Regan Era where the White House ordered the CIA to do operations (see Ollie North).Congress passed some laws to prevent this.
I think that the GOP congress would have stood in the way of any changes that Clarke suggusted until a 9/11 like event happened. As a people we need blood to spill before we change.
I think if Gore had been elected we would still be with the UN rebuilding Afghanistan and not in Iraq.
I also think this "Bush Strong Man" posing is driving Arab men to become terrorist in droves. The Arabs see Bush as a threat to them and will fight to the death. How many of you will strap a bomb on and go blow yourself up?
Kicking the ***** out of things usually stirs up a hornets nest.

Geoff

If Gore were president after 911, we would have grounded all our aircraft and begged Bin Laden not to do it again. Meanwhile the plot for the second strike in LA would occur. He could always bribe Bin Laden by giving him nuclear capability like when the Clinton administration did so much to further China's and North Korea's nuclear weapons programs.

350:

I am confident I have experianced enough of your venom on the issue to draw a conclusion. But thanks for calling me igonrant and proving my point. LOL

Yeah, uhm, 350. . . wern't you just blasting. . .oh something about 'loosing an argument then resorting to name calling' ? Hmmmmm


edit: oh yeah. . .WWAGD? ...sorry Mark.

Al Gore would have simply invented the solution to terrorism. Come on, it isn't that hard.

I think things would be very different. I don't know if he would have gone into Afganistan either, have you ever read his book? He's quite a passivist. He is far far left of Billy Boy. I imagine he would not have done much more than some bombing runs etc.. I can see him going to the UN and petitioning for sanctions for terrorist supporting countries or something useless and ineffective like that, but it would make him feel better for having tried:) Maybe he'd send Karina over with a daisy in her hair to explain how wonderful peace is:) Who knows, but I think I'm close.

The UN is not the answer to terrorism. America is a soveign nation and we should stay that way. Asking the UN's permission is just what Al would have done and that is sujecting our country to outside interests who really don't care about us.

Al would have become Muslim, put Tipper in a burka and blown a few things up just to try and understand how the terrorists feel...

The UN was in Iraq, They took one hit on the chin and turned tail an left. they now run there Iraq opperations from Cypress.

Invading Iraq was more about the big picture on terror than oil or 9/11. It is about building a stable country where average people can partake and enjoy in freedom. Picutre Poland where the people caught the diesase of rising expectations that the soviet union could not deliver. If the muslem extremists had prosparity to live for they would be less likly to blow themsleves and inocents alike. How many of the suicide bombers are rich. Most of the rich ones just foot the bill for the poor ones to buy the bombs. We will not see the real results from "project Iraq" for several years. This president was brave enough to stake his re-election on paving the road to a reducion in the demand for terorrist.

Hey Mark...How's everything going...

I've only read the title to your thread & started laughing (so i'm not sure which turn this topic has taken) because it made me picture when Al Gore was on Saturday Night Live & in the hot tub. ;) :) :)

9/11 made the least competent president in U.S. history look competent.

Since Gore would not have had a big oil deal brewing with the Taliban, he probably would have struck sooner. Since it's been the same lousy intelligence people advising the White house for the past 12+ years, he probably would have gotten all those made-up WMD reports. But he wouldn't have been stupid enough to attack Iraq based on 'programs to acquire' WMDs. And Saddam would today be the non-threat he was 14 months ago, and tens of thousands of people would still be alive. Also, I doubt Gore would have condoned long-term incarceration of suspected terrorists without charges and legal representation. There's real value in being the moral leader the U.S. has traditionally tried to be. I have no doubt the world would be a safer place if Gore were president.

TW, thanks for the laugh. That's the funniest damn thing I've heard in weeks......


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Face it Techweenie...you guys all hated GW even before Iraq and 9/11. It doesn't much matter what he does. It will be either wrong, stupid or both.

flintstone: "Face it Techweenie...you guys all hated GW even before Iraq and 9/11. It doesn't much matter what he does. It will be either wrong, stupid or both."

That's more or less correct. Worst president ever; least-qualified modern president. First person conviced of a crime to occupy the white house... record of stupid moves since election -- unprecedented.

Attacking Afghanistan after giving the Taliban a reasonable period of time to turn over Osama -- I have no argument with that. There may be something else he did that I don't consider wrong, stupid or both, but in the immortal words of GW Bush himself:

"You know, I hope I don't want to sound like I've made no mistakes. I'm confident I have. I just haven't — you just put me under the spot here and maybe I'm not quick, as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one."

Isnt Purjurya Crime? I think Buba lost his ability to practice law over it. Al and Billy boy had been pumping funds to the Taliban for years so dont think they would be any more objective.

"Isnt Purjurya Crime? I think Buba lost his ability to practice law over it. Al and Billy boy had been pumping funds to the Taliban for years so dont think they would be any more objective."

Clinton wasn't convicted of perjury -- or any other crime -- in a criminal proceeding. He was disbarred in Arkansas, I believe.

Other than the same humanitarian aid given to half the countries in the world, what funds had the Clinton administration been 'pumping' to Afghanistan?

As for objectivity, I can assure you that on 9/12 Gore would not have given permission for the Bin Ladin family to fly while all other aircraft were grounded in the U.S.

This is not entirely true, at least in my case. I did not have much respect for him as a leader, a self-made man, a thinker, a reader, a traveller, a soldier, etc..., but I did not hate him. I felt like he was the Peter Sellers character in "Being There", or maybe Forrest Gump, (if you really liked the guy), who just fell into being the president through a series of weird circumstances. (And a sympathetic Supreme Court).

I was pissed about the election, but got over it since Al Gore wasn't exactly the Messiah and the country and world were in decent shape. How bad could he ***** it up? :rolleyes:

After 9/11, I thought that he did a good job of acting like a leader and I was behind him 100% at hunting Al Quaeda. And BTW, who wasn't? I don't recall any peaceniks marching in the streets when we invaded Afghanistan. As a Democrat, I was willing to overlook other issues, (the environment, court appointments, etc.), while we came together as a country to battle Osama Bin Ladin. (Remember when we were focusing resources on capturing him, "dead or alive")?

Iraq changed everything. It is w/o question the largest scandal ever perpetrated on the U.S. public, (maybe the world), they lied, period, about the strength of their intelligence of him as a threat and his ties to 9/11 and Quaeda in order to mislead the public and congress, you that support him now have complete contempt for the public's right to be informed through our elected leaders about decisions that affect our lives and future.

When I read that someone is mad at the press for asking Bush tough questions at the press conference, it boggles the mind. First of all, he has made his administration the most secretive, (and corrupt, IMO), in history, absolutely accountable to no one! All legitimate inquiries are met w/ a snarl or a smirk, and the refuge of "either you are with us or against us", and "we are at war". Never mind that he started the war, illegally, Osama did not start the war in Iraq. And any deals that Saddam broke were w/ the U.N., not the United States separately. And deals w/ the U.N. don't count, right? That's what Bush and Co. have told us. When you don't like the terms, change the game. Why wouldn't Saddam, (and any other despot), get that message?

But I forgot. We went to Iraq to "free those people", the ones that we aren't killing anyways. It's all about the Kurds in 1988, when we sold him the gas and "Rummy" went over and made sure that he knew how to light the fuse. :rolleyes:

So when do we go to Rhwanda? Those people are just dying for Bush and CHeney's doctrine of freeing people from oppression. :rolleyes:

Yes, he is the worst President in history, w/o even mentioning the economy. He'd be the worst in several Latin American countries as well, why limit the contest to the U.S.A.? :D

Al Gore? We would have been better off w/ Gerald Ford or Reagan firing on 1 cylinder. :cool:

There were no hard questions, only assinine ones.

Please explain this. Are you referring to the 800,000 people that were slaughtered there (mostly hacked to death) during the Clinton administration? Who would you have us free who from now?

There are still a few million there, and elsewhere in Africa, who have not been hacked to death yet. Clinton never claimed that he was invading another country in order to "liberate" its population, (a lie, in case you missed the irony), but other than that, nice analogy. As usual. Just pull the Clinton card out, hey wait, the entire deck is Clinton cards! You're cheating! :rolleyes:

And the American press needs to grow some balls and do its job, they give Bush and Cheney a blowjob every day. You have no idea what a truly free press would look like, hombre. And lucky for you, and your agenda.

I'm out for now. I cannot compete w/ unemployed right wingers who type this fast, it's not a fair contest. I gots to go to work. Take care. :cool:

Yeah, but Senator Gore would have been some great entertainment:D .

Yeah I got it...but bringing up the Yugoslavia invasion was just too easy! Believe it or not, I thought we should have stayed out of that one.