Rumsfeld solves the abuse problem

[fintstone]

Originally posted by techweenie
Rumsfeld has banned all cell phones with picture taking ability from Iraq.

Presumably on the assumption we won't get upset about what we can't see...

Did it ever cross your mind that it might be to prevent them from taking pictures of POWs which is against the rules? First you complain that he doesn't do enough to stop abuse...now he is doing too much.

In most military areas all cameras are alredy banned without written permission due to security.

[Superman]

Well it makes sense that, if pictures of soldiers' coffins cannot be taken as they were in all previous wars and police actions, then pictures of POW's cannot be taken either. We'll just have to drag out our pictures of coffins from previous wars. I'm sure someone will explain why it makes such clear sense to sensor this particular war, because I don't get it. Heck, I'll admit that from my ignorant perspective it looks almost as if the White House wants to conceal the ugliness of this particular war. But then, I'm expecting this to be explained to me. One of the great mysteries. Like how trickle-down economics, and other similar terms you don't hear any more, is a brilliant idea even though the tracking of economic indicators would seem to suggest otherwise. Again, I must not be very smart. Someone help.

[techweenie]

"Did it ever cross your mind that it might be to prevent them from taking pictures of POWs which is against the rules?"

Then he'd better take their rifles away so they don't hit prisoners with them. Really, Fintstone, you are infantilizing the U.S. military. Whatever happened to discipline?

"First you complain that he doesn't do enough to stop abuse...now he is doing too much."

No, he is not doing anything I am aware of.

[KevinP73]

Originally posted by techweenie
infantilizing

Are making up words as you go along?

[Aurel]

According to the webster online, infantilizing is a true english word:

One entry found for infantilize.




Main Entry: in·fan·til·ize
Pronunciation: 'in-f&n-"tI-"lIz, -f&n-t&l-"Iz; in-'fan-t&l-"Iz
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -ized; -iz·ing
1 : to make or keep infantile
2 : to treat as if infantile
- in·fan·til·i·za·tion /"in-f&n-"tI-l&-'zA-sh&n, -f&n-t&l-&-; in-"fan-t&l-&-/ noun

Aurel

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Superman
Well it makes sense that, if pictures of soldiers' coffins cannot be taken as they were in all previous wars and police actions, then pictures of POW's cannot be taken either. We'll just have to drag out our pictures of coffins from previous wars. I'm sure someone will explain why it makes such clear sense to sensor this particular war, because I don't get it. Heck, I'll admit that from my ignorant perspective it looks almost as if the White House wants to conceal the ugliness of this particular war. But then, I'm expecting this to be explained to me. One of the great mysteries. Like how trickle-down economics, and other similar terms you don't hear any more, is a brilliant idea even though the tracking of economic indicators would seem to suggest otherwise. Again, I must not be very smart. Someone help.

I think you will find the coffin rule to have originated in another administration. Most military operations have been off limits to photograph...for at least the last 30 years. It is nothing new. I still have file letters where I had to get permission..even in peace time. Due to security, most military areas will not even let you bring a cell phone inside...much less one with a camera.

[350HP930]

Originally posted by KevinP73
Are making up words as go along?

LOL, not having a large vocabulary is not the same thing as other people making up words you don't understand.

[Aurel]

The president has found an even better solution than Rumsfeld: They will destroy the Abu Grahib prison. Soooo Smart. To be anounced in a few minutes in his adress to the nation...

Aurel

[island911]

Originally posted by 350HP930
LOL, not having a large vocabulary is not the same thing as other people making up words you don't understand.

geeze HP, you're really embracing your new word.

[KevinP73]

Originally posted by 350HP930
LOL, not having a large vocabulary is not the same thing as other people making up words you don't understand.

I asked everyone in the trailer park and aint no body else heard of that word to.

[Neilk]

Originally posted by fintstone
I think you will find the coffin rule to have originated in another administration. Most military operations have been off limits to photograph...for at least the last 30 years. It is nothing new.

It's all about managing the media. Remember the embedded journalists? Rummy will distribute any video or pictures that make America look good, but as soon as the pictures are either unpleasant or wrong, Rummy tries to censor them.

I have two real issues with what happened in Abu Grahib.
1. It makes America look really bad. Although most Americans don't care because they believe the US is the center of the universe and can do no wrong.

2. Will US soldiers have any chance if they are captured by the enemy? If I were an Iraqi, after seeing those pictures....

Time to say to Rummy.

[Bleyseng]

Hmm, I thought the French won WW1? They lost that one too?
My friends in Europe and South America really hate America (Bushs policies not the average Joe Blow people) even more now that the pics have come out. Now we have no moral ground to stand on so what are the conservatives gonna do other than blame the liberals? What else is new .... Tired of the "Wave the Flag, shoot to kill" mentality of you guys. Maybe we should just try to get along-with the rest of the world!

Geoff

[WOODPIE]

I liked this one so much, I thought I'd share.

Ed

[dd74]

Rumsfeld bans the cameras: good! Because how many more *****-covered prisoners does anyone need to see? If you want to look at another crop of prisoners with leashes around their necks, getting wired up while standing on crates, or having batons shoved up their bums, then you're sick; not concerned.

As for me, I'm already desensitized (sp?) to the whole thing: the first round of shots did it for me. Is there something new in torture that we need to see? No.

It's good Rumsfeld did this:

1) Not that the ban will save his ass from further congressional whippings, but it'll prevent more embarrassment for the country in general.

2) If he didn't ban the cameras, the shots would be more of the same - hence SOP. So who cares? We already know there are bad guys in these prisons. Next issue, please.

3) I feel the same way about the next beheading: seen one noggin get chopped off, seen 'em all.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Neilk

2. Will US soldiers have any chance if they are captured by the enemy? If I were an Iraqi, after seeing those pictures....

Yep, I guess they would stop raping, beating, and murdering those they captured and put underwear on our soldiers heads instead. Don't ya hate that?

[kach22i]

Not to change the topic, but it looks like the scape goating is coming to the top ranks- kind of refreshing.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040525/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq_military_3
Sanchez to Be Replaced As Iraq Commander
WASHINGTON - The top U.S. military officer in Iraq, Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, will be replaced, administration officials said Tuesday. The Pentagon also suspended Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski from her command.

Both have become symbols of lax supervision at the Abu Ghraib prison where U.S. soldiers allegedly abused Iraqi inmates.

[fintstone]

The article makes much ado about nothing. It is Sanchez's normal rotation. The reserve BG, Karpinski was removed prior to the publicity.

[ronin]

Originally posted by techweenie
"And who amongst us hasn't had some bimbo point at our penis and laugh out loud......OK well maybe that is just me."

Still beats having someone point at your dead body and laugh.

and having your head hacked off slowly screaming all-the-while, having to endure your own horrific death at the hands of creatures that are nothing more than animals. oh wait, I forgot. that's ok. it is to be expected of them. but woe those holy americans

Paul, I couldn't find a smiley with a gigantic thumbs-up, so this will have to do

[techweenie]

I can't make any sense of what you're saying. But your mesage implies:

1. an entire nation should sink to the level of a terrorist organization?

2. because there's no video of us beating to death several prisoners, their deaths weren't slow and painful? Their killers were noble?

3. they're all the same, Iraqi suspects and Al Quaeda?

4. America's longstanding efforts to establish moral leadership was a stupid waste of time?

I think you're wrong on all counts.

[Kevin Powers]

the fact that wild gesticulating prick still has a position in dorkya"s admin is beyond me. when he loses his job next year i'll be surprised if i he has the balls to show his face in public.