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Even Hamas renouned Al Oaeda's attack on the WTC....

[singpilot]

Yep. The responses here speak for themselves.

I forgot one little rule by posting in here, that sooner or later 930HP350 would come in and make it personal.

The Patriot Act will snag the uninformed sooner or later.

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Leadership is also RESTRAINED by the System, into taking certain forms of action. Leadership is forced into taking certain courses of action.

What the West is largely faced with is a Civilizations/Islamic clashing with the Wests preponderence of influence on thought, economics etc in the 21st century. The fundlementalist feels he is lossing his traditional family values to a modern Secular world. One where it seems chaos and corruption reigns...Thus the analogy to being the Great Satan.

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Your personal dogmatism 350 causes you to be blind.

[350HP930]

Its not really a rule, I just frequently point out the stupidity of some peoples offensive posts.

I guess its just personal since you don't like me attacking your stand in support of terrorism.

[singpilot]

You are the only one saying that I support terrorism.

As usual, you take a stand based on someone saying something and then you put words in their mouth and run with it.

I get really tired of pointing out the stupidity and inaccurancy of your statements, because doing so keeps me from laughing out loud.

Have a nice life.

[RickM]

Originally posted by on-ramp
Paul Johnson (and others) would be alive today if it wasn't for the gun slinging Texas cowboy who thinks he can bring peace/freedom to the world by invading nations. i lose respect for the man every day that goes by.

Is he responsible for the Twin Tower attack as well?.....where 2000 Paul Johnsons were killed.

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Originally posted by RickM
Is he responsible for the Twin Tower attack as well?.....where 2000 Paul Johnsons were killed.

no, i would say Clinton is partially to blame for that, by not doing enough to protect this nation leading up to 9/11....Bush just over-reacted after the fact. And his illegal actions have so far caused a lot more harm than good. just read the news. the war in Iraq is a complete disaster.

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Originally posted by singpilot
You are the only one saying that I support terrorism.

As usual, you take a stand based on someone saying something and then you put words in their mouth and run with it.

I get really tired of pointing out the stupidity and inaccurancy of your statements, because doing so keeps me from laughing out loud.

Have a nice life.

no, he's not the only one. now I'm saying it too.



just by reading your earlier comments, you make justifications for killing 2000 innocent people, same as what the terrorists do, dont you see?

[JavaBrewer]

How come I'm not seeing the Islamic leaders of the world stand up and loudly condemn this act? Wrong news source? My views of the Iraq war haven't changed much since the start. I still support it. Similarly, this act hasn't "strengthened my resolve" to support the war. Sure I'm upset, mainly for the family, but these people have to fight back somehow, it's expected. I guess what I'm still trying to figure out is are we really in a war against an entire culture or just a few of it's bad apples?

[pbs911]

We killed 9 Iraqi children in one day when one of our missles hit a village where they were playing.

But did America purposfefully behead these children? NO. But their supporters purposefully flew 2 planes into the World Trade Center, 1 into the Pentagon and attempted to hit several other areas highly populated with ordinary people. These actions, the action today, and the recent actions of the past go beyond the bounds of human decency.

In their mind, if they are killed during such actions they go directly to their god as a martyr. I think we should help them along in their path to eternal peace.

They clearly do understand Americans. They understand we are divided over our middle east involvement, and they want to cause even more division.

You give them too much credit. The ability to understand implies the ability to rationalize. If they understood Americans they could rationalize that American beliefs have just as much validity as their own. They would allow all religions to live in their own beleifs. They cannot. They are not rational. They do not have the ability to understand anything at a human level of intellegance.

[JavaBrewer]

Originally posted by on-ramp
Bush just over-reacted after the fact. And his illegal actions have so far caused a lot more harm than good. just read the news. the war in Iraq is a complete disaster.

Really? By whose accounts? The press? France? Germany? The coalition forces? How many eye witnesses have you spoken to? We just got 3 engineers back from Iraq with very different stories. I'm not saying it's a tea party over there, far from it, but complete disaster? Please, share with us your top secret intel that the DOD shares with only you that support your take that we've "caused a lot more harm than good".

[350HP930]

Originally posted by dmoolenaar
How come I'm not seeing the Islamic leaders of the world stand up and loudly condemn this act? Wrong news source? My views of the Iraq war haven't changed much since the start. I still support it. Similarly, this act hasn't "strengthened my resolve" to support the war. Sure I'm upset, mainly for the family, but these people have to fight back somehow, it's expected. I guess what I'm still trying to figure out is are we really in a war against an entire culture or just a few of it's bad apples?

Why arn't the jewish leaders of the world criticising israel for its inhumane policies in the occupied territories?

Where are the black leaders criticising their fellow minorties for being contributors to their communities' decline?

Seriously, if you expect 'other people's leaders' to stand up and apologise for or criticise actions that are not theirs or have popular support you are asking for a lot. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but how much criticism of terrorism has to occur by muslim leaders to be 'loud' enough for you to hear?

Just look at how loath bush is to either apologise for our government's **** ups or criticise its failures.

Its a bit of a double standard to expect more from other nations and faiths than we get from our own domestic 'leaders'.

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Originally posted by dmoolenaar
Really? By whose accounts? The press? France? Germany? The coalition forces? How many eye witnesses have you spoken to? We just got 3 engineers back from Iraq with very different stories. I'm not saying it's a tea party over there, far from it, but complete disaster? Please, share with us your top secret intel that the DOD shares with only you that support your take that we've "caused a lot more harm than good".

the people will vote in November.

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It has been stated that in the Islamic World, which is largely run by despotic governments; that the only oposition to these governments that survives is the stridently religious voice.

One point of view is that their own nation state is a Secular creature and thus corrupt in the eyes of the religious. The voice of moderation is perhaps like somone teaching Evolution to Fundlementalist Christians.

[Adam]

Originally posted by three-fitty:
I just frequently point out the stupidity of some peoples offensive posts.

Uh-huh...

I'm glad we've got an authority figure to run everything past.

Instead of Vitriol - try a grain of salt.

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Originally posted by 350HP930
Why arn't the jewish leaders of the world criticising israel for its inhumane policies in the occupied territories?

Where are the black leaders criticising their fellow minorties for being contributors to their communities' decline?

Seriously, if you expect 'other people's leaders' to stand up and apologise for or criticise actions that are not theirs or have popular support you are asking for a lot. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but how much criticism of terrorism has to occur by muslim leaders to be 'loud' enough for you to hear?

Just look at how loath bush is to either apologise for our government's **** ups or criticise its failures.

Its a bit of a double standard to expect more from other nations and faiths than we get from our own domestic 'leaders'.

well said,

when a missile goes off course and kills 30 people in a market shopping for fruits and vegetable, where is the US admin. standing up loudly condemning this act?
but i forgot, it's collateral damage...they didnt mean to do it. it was an accident. i'm sure the relatives of the deceased will understand and forgive.

[pbs911]

the people will vote in November.

The problem is, the majority are so uniformated that their vote has no more validity than a dart throw.

[350HP930]

Gee, I never would have guessed I would get so much grief for being against another person supporting terrorism.

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Originally posted by pbs911
The problem is, the majority are so uniformated that their vote has no more validity than a dart throw.

i dont think you give the majority enough credit.

by the way, it's "uninformed"