Another beheading....

[}{arlequin]

Do they really think these actions will HELP their country or do they just want to seize control of the gvt and not let us help set up a "friendly" gvt?

[Rot 911]

Lynn, what bothers me is that the terrorists in Iraq don't just want us out of the country, they want to continue chaos in their own country. They don't give a rat's asss for there fellow countrymen. You think if they actually got the U.S. to leave that they would then turn their attention to making life better in Iraq?

[techweenie]

Kurt, I have to agree with you. These particular terrorists want a religious state.

Our being there gives al Quaeda a huge recruiting advantage. As soon as we are gone, they will continue to fight, but without the broad international support they now enjoy.

I'm very concerned that support for al Quaeda in Saudi Arabia is very high and current events might lead to overthrowing a friendly -- if corrupt -- government.

[Z-man]

The South Korean hostage was apparently killed today:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/22/iraq.hostage/index.html

I suppose if they continue to kill more people from more countries, eventually, the terrorists responsible for these killings will have the whole world pissed off at them!

A modest proposal: if Al Queda claims responsibility for killing an innocent person (like the two Americans these past weeks), we should retaliate by kililng one of theirs that are held captive. Hamarrabi's code. Maybe that's the only way to show them how senseless their actions are.

-Z-man.

[Rot 911]

I guess the other thing that pisses me off is how the media can spend weeks on the "prison abuse scandal" because it involves Americans, but will only carry any of the beheadings for maybe a day. Oh and where is the mass hysteria/outrage from the rest of the world over these beheadings?

[}{arlequin]

A modest proposal: if Al Queda claims responsibility for killing an innocent person (like the two Americans these past weeks), we should retaliate by kililng one of theirs that are held captive. Hamarrabi's code. Maybe that's the only way to show them how senseless their actions are.

Where do I sign up? Is the wait list long??

[rcecale]

I really hate saying this, but unfortunately, I think this is true (and it really svcks!)

The more people the terrorists behead, the more the world is likely to become "used to it" I mean, when you compare the outrage when Nick Berg was killed to the reaction to Paul Johnson's murder, there is quite a bit of difference.

I'm sitting here in the computer lab at work where they are showing college baseball on the tube. There have been no interruptions by the news, reporting this story whatsoever. When Berg was murdered, it was all they were showing.

How many more heinous murders will these people commit before it becomes "useless" as a propaganda tool, or whatever you want to call it?

Worse yet, what will they resort to doing next?

Randy

[singpilot]

Be careful guys.

You run the risk of being labelled terrorists by some members of this board with talk like that.

[rcecale]

Originally posted by singpilot
You run the risk of being labelled terrorists by some members of this board with talk like that.

Funny how the facts can make some people go all squirrely, isn't it?

Randy

[turbo6bar]

The Israelis probably don't batt an eye when a bus bomb kills 25 citizens. We will become the same way. Also, when the events occur across the world, we are further disconnected. I imagine our reaction would be stronger if a terrorist cell in the US killed a family of 6 at McDonalds in Louisville, KY. We should be thankful it's all "going down" over there.

If we left the Middle East and capitulated as the terrorists wish, would there be further demands? Would bin Laden say,"I will not rest until the US regime falls?"

After what has happened, any citizen who stays in Iraq or the Middle East should know they're taking their life in their own hands. I'm not saying any person deserves to be captured and killed, but they do know the risk exists. I know if I was there I'd be thinking about some personal defense.

[JavaBrewer]

Originally posted by turbo6bar
If we left the Middle East and capitulated as the terrorists wish, would there be further demands?

For all the left and right bickering on this BBS - no one has posted a potential solution. I'm not talking about the Iraq war, but the whole Middle East issue in it's entirety. What happens if the industrialized world cuts it's oil dependency by 50%, or perhaps just the U.S. does? What happens if the U.S. stops supporting Israel and just walks away? Will terrorism just go away and there will be a big love fest in Bagdad? That would be an interesting thread - no blaming - just solutions. Kerry in November is not an appropriate answer on it's own.

[Rot 911]

As long as you have different religious factions in the middle east you will never have peace.

[tabs]

I'm afraid we are only at the begining of the attrocities... The World is being lit on Fire. This brings nothing but sadness for me to say.

Saudi may fall...what does the USA do if it does? The USA cannot let the oil fields be in fundlementalist hands...if it perchanch does let a Jihadist government get control...you'll see sanctions so tight against the Saudi's that their Aholes will squeak.

At some point here the USA will drop all pretenses both domestic and foreign...right now the US governments policy is to get rid of Terrorism but in a nice way.

Further the WTC was a knife in the heart...and some people in the USA still proclaim that WE are the "Baby Killers." At what point do these people wake up and say, "You know what, we maybe "Baby Killers" but right now if we don't get it together and KILL the enemy hes going to KILL US!" It doesn't matter if the Jihadist has good cause against the USA, he's bent on KILLING US, and there is no REASONING with him. So what do you have to do to a mad dog when he is attacking you?

[Z-man]

Originally posted by Kurt V
As long as you have different religious factions in the middle east you will never have peace.

Absolutely true! The Jews and Muslims are sworn enemies, ever since Issac and Ishmael went their separate ways.

And that's just one of the religious conflicts apparent in the mid-east. Perhaps the biggest, but there are other religious conflicts that prevent peace from occurring in that land.

It is not like in the USA where peace and tolerance tend to stressed more...
-Z.

[Rot 911]

Originally posted by Z-man
Absolutely true! The Jews and Muslims are sworn enemies, ever since Issac and Ishmael went their separate ways.

Z, if only it were that simple. Even among the muslim sects they continue to fight. Sunni against Shiite and both against the Kurds.

[tabs]

This conflict is truly a clash of Civilizations, it is Western Secularism which has brought you democracy, capitalism and the technological revolutions vs an Eastern Theocracy which preaches dogmatism over innovation (which is a miniority in the Islamic world).

The West is vunerable mainly due to the abstract nature of it's financial and monetary systems. Militarily the West is clearly dominent, industriaily the West is dominent. Yet it is the radical behavior of the Jihadist that can shake the Western World through Terrorist action. It is not the small event of beheading an indivdual, or the bombing of a bus or train. We will get used to the idea, and the Western Steamroller will continue on. It is through the BIG Event that the Terrorist causes fear in the hearts of Western Leaders. For if it becomes evident that the Jihadist can strike at will, it WILL CAUSE A CRISIS OF CONFIDENCE in the Western system. It will have shown that nothing is safe and the government cannot protect you or your assets from destruction. If that comes to pass Western capitalism/monetary system will collapse and we are headed for a New Dark Ages.

[on-ramp]

"I DONT WANT TO DIE, I DONT WANT TO DIE"

when i saw/heard that videotape yesterday on the news, my heart just sank, that's just terrible...can't believe it's getting this bad.

but regarding the attention, this time the hostage was South Korean, not American, that's why it wasn't such a big deal as last time from a news perspective, sad to say.

[techweenie]

Worse was the footage of the poor guy's wife.

Sadly, we have to consider anyone captured by these animals as "already dead."

If I understand the news announcement correctly, South Korea has doubled its troop commitment.

[Victor]

Originally posted by Z-man
..snip .....

A modest proposal: if Al Queda claims responsibility for killing an innocent person (like the two Americans these past weeks), we should retaliate by kililng one of theirs that are held captive. Hamarrabi's code. Maybe that's the only way to show them how senseless their actions are.

-Z-man.

Maybe it's time for you to drop another MOAB on a wedding party?

[TimT]

I generally just read these political rants...

Tabs hit his head on the nail in his last post..

I worked in Iran in the late 70's....I left when anti-american slogans were grafittied on THE COMPOUND I LIVED IN

I worked in Israel, just after the Camp David accords...

I was driving to Jerusalem just as I entered Hebron, my pickup was cut off , then rear ended..

All of our posessions were taken, and they kicked our asses ( my friend/co-worker and I)

I loved when I worked off shore... In this day and age, no way in hell ill work over there

I saw and experienced it going bad over 20 years ago...