Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
 

http://www.swiftvets.com/images/KerryBrothers.jpg

On June 1, 2004, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth sent a cease and desist letter to John Kerry for President, Inc. on behalf of 11 officers shown in the photograph, pointing out that using their images in a campaign advertisement "wrongfully and incorrectly suggests their present endorsement of his candidacy."

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John Kerry has long insisted that using the three-injury loophole to leave combat early was his own idea, but Kerry's fellow Swift officer Thomas Wright, who served on occasion as the OIC (Officer in Charge) of Kerry's boat group, contradicts that claim. Wright reports that he "had a lot of trouble getting Kerry to follow orders," and that those who worked with Kerry found him "oriented towards his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives." He therefore requested that Kerry be removed from his boat group. After John Kerry qualified for his third Purple Heart, Thomas Wright and two fellow officers informed him of the obscure regulation, and told him to go home. Wright concluded, "We knew how the system worked and we didn’t want him in Coastal Division 11."

From the doc who treated John Kerry for the "wound" that earned him his first purple heart:

I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.

The wound was covered with a bandaid.

3 or 4 mm deep? For that he requested a purple heart and was rejected by his CO. He appealed and was awarded the purple heart.

I'm not a republican, but he sure sounds like a colossal ass.

you guys are ridiculous, it's not even worth responding.

We know, atleast he went. Believe me we know.

I think it is - the glaring error in logic has to be addressed.

Previously, he was guilty of applying for three cushy Purple Hearts and cutting and running home.

Now, he is guilty of being a maverick and having his superiors tell him to jump ship before he is pushed. Did he want to leave or not? This is ridiculous.

You guys can't have your Kerry bashing cake and eat it too. You have to pick one story or the other:

- Kerry the girly Purple Heart wearer; OR
- Kerry the brave maverick.

I think it was a mix of the two...I think you unintentionally transposed "maverick" with "dangerous"...He was a pussy and dangerous because of it. He committed war crimes and endangered his brothers. They were glad to see him leave and a majority of his fellow combatants wanted him gone.

Must have missed the Maverick part? Hmm

How bout? "kerry the guy who realized you can marry more money in five minutes than you can make in a liftetime as a socialist politician."

http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=maverick

This guy is accusing him of being a maverick.

Assuming that he likes her and she likes him - of which there is no proof otherwise - you are essentially pillorying him for not marrying a pauper.

Besides, I think they have a pre-nup (a concept I'm not wildly excited about myself, as it happens).

It just goes to the big picture as to what kind of guy he is. There are countless circumstancial things throughout his life which point to slime ball.

It is the pattern of opportunism that is at issue...Heros don't boast, humble men don't seek out millionairesses to marry.

No, he is calling him a dangerous scumbag.

"The facts are that 250 of Kerry's former shipmates, including 17 of the 24 officers in his division, signed a public letter saying he's not fit to be the commander-in-chief," said retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffmann, who commanded the fleet of swift boats during Kerry's tour of duty.

CNS

(liberal - an attack on Hoffmann does not discount the 250 veterans who didn't cut and run like Kerry)

250 former shipmates? How big are those boats?

They traveled in squadrons...close proximity in tight quarters.

http://www.mwweb.com/ndc/SwiftBoats/images/npcf1.jpg

There seems to be at least 12 boats here...Seems they weren't strangers...Very intimate.

So all of the crew members of his boat, which were on stage w/ him tonight are all scumbags/liars/traitors I suppose? They sure didn't look like it to me. :cool:

Bet they got a lifetime supply of Ketchup!

I report you decide.

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When one cannot defend the policies of his party, the tactic then becomes to throw as much crap at the other guy as possible and hope some of it sticks.

The drawback to this is you are the one with the crap on your hands and under your nails.

The only campaign I can remember (and I am old) in which the Republicans were out crapped was Johnson vs. Goldwater. Just at voting age. Campaigned for Barry....

Since then, I can think of only one Republican presidential candidate that won by charisma rather than slander, and that was Ronnie. He was charming.......

if only I'd know that using cartoons was such an effective way of presenting a coherent argument. I should have used that for my thesis defense...

Grow a sense of humor...they call it levity.

Steven Michael Gardner served side by side with John Forbes Kerry in Vietnam, was wounded under Kerry's command, and was manning twin .50-caliber machine guns on a night that has forever haunted Kerry -- the night his crew killed a young boy in a sampan.

But unlike many of Kerry's crewmates, Gardner has not appeared at Kerry's side at campaign rallies, and his view of Kerry at war is far different from the heroic view presented by others. "He absolutely did not want to engage the enemy when I was with him," Gardner said in a recent interview. "He wouldn't go in there and search. That is why I have a negative viewpoint of John Kerry."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/11/kerry_no_hero_in_ex_crewmans_eyes/

quote:Kerry's fellow Swift officer Thomas Wright reports that he "had a lot of trouble getting Kerry to follow orders," and that those who worked with Kerry found him "oriented towards his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives."


Posted by CamB
This guy is accusing him of being a maverick.

Perhaps he is actually accusing him of being a coward!

Randy

seems to me if the "Swiftboat Veterans for Truth" were really about the truth, they'd have named it "Swiftboat Veterans with a different opinion"

...perhaps their "different opinion" IS the truth. :eek:

Randy

no, the truth is somewhere in the eiddle

you were there?

Impressive how the doctor recalled every tiny detail about Kerry's wounds 35 years ago. Every detail, that is, except for where on his body it was located. His recounted story differed strangely from the written records. Well I guess he's only a doctor... upper arm, lower arm, whatever its only anatomy. I'm sure he got everything else right though.

:rolleyes:

Yes, and you'll find high praise for Kerry in fitreps from two of the same people who are now attacking him as 'unfit.'

Funny how time & politics can change history.

Or "Swift Boat Veterans Not on Kerry's salary, who represent the majority of his fellow soldiers."

You failed last time I asked you...I will ask you one more time...What EXACTLY were the 3 Purple Hearts for (the physical damage as well as what happened)?

You cannot answer these questions because Kerry lied about releasing the records disclosing this. He promised and he didn't deliver.

Bush released his records.

What I find so utterly fascinating is how all of the sudden Democrats are pro-Vietnam, pro-Military....This is an insult to truth and Kerry's anti-war record...Kerry has been patternly hostile to the military, any expenditure, necessary equipment and any action opposing communists.

War heros don't contemptuously throw their medals away.

The billion dollar man, the richest man in the Senate.

"Bush released his records"......

Except for the "missing" ones, that would have answered some of the lingering questions about his "service".... :rolleyes:

I really don't give a rat's ass about Bush 30 yrs. ago, I know that he avoided going to VietNam and used family connections to do so. That is a FACT , something that you have a serious problem with.

But just to highlight your hypocrisy, answer the following question or STFU about John Kerry's military service:

Where exactly was Bush during the time that he was supposed to be serving in the Alabama Guard unit, (account for the entire period), and how exactly did he "work it out" to be released early to attend grad school?

No one else has been able to answer these questions, but since you are demanding that anyone who supports Kerry to detail his war wounds, (exactly where on body, etc.....), let's see how you do w/ unreleased information. ;)

But of course Bush's extreme hubris and hypocrisy don't bother you in the least, because you're completely FOS. Right? :)

I gave you the quote and source for the information on the first (disputed) purple heart injury. If you didn't read it or credit the source, don't try to put that back on me.

Are you implying that the second and third purple hearts are also in dispute? I know you think the Bronze Star and Silver Star are in disupte, as well as just about every fact relating to the Vietnam war, but I'm really only interested in replying to credible questions, not nut-job paranoid stuff.

What people arent' dealing with here is that GWB's entrance exam score for the National Guard was ridiculously low -- 25% out of 100. And yet, he bumped a more-qualified candidate for a slot in the coveted 'chapagne squadron.' Affirmative action at its best. And we know how conservatives love affirmative action.

So what ever happened to the better-qualified applicant? Did he have to actually serve his country?

The heros I know , my dad and uncles, never boast about thier service to our country. Heck I didnt know my uncle had a purple heart untill I saw it at his wake. Granted they never ran for office, but they shure as he!! are not going to throw thier medals away!

What bothers me, Speeder, is you tell someone to STFU about Kerrys military service. Seems to me Kerry is putting his service to our country out there, "Reporting for duty", so why not question it?

I really appreciate everyone who serves in the military, including John Kerry, but why boast about it? I dont even care if guys came back from war and throw thier medals away. What I do care about is when a guy like Kerry uses his service (questionable) record to call himself a hero.

I think he would do better to act like the 1,000's of other humble military heros in this country that keep thier military heroism to themselves and loved ones.

NoStatic's sense of humor is actually malignant...