A conservative columnist finds Kerry a better choice

[rcecale]

So, Tech....

There are hundreds, if not thousands, or even millions of conservatives that have an opposing viewpoint to yours and according to you, they're all wrong. You manage to find ONE who shares them, and you parade him around as your new source of all that is right and wrong in this world? Hmmmmmmm, interesting...

Randy

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by techweenie

by Charley Reese

the Enron Kid, as I call him...stupid guest-worker program...Mr. Know-Nothing...scheming to gut the Patrol's union...This allowed corporations to exploit Mexican workers and pollute the Mexican landscape while laying off thousands of American workers... environmental regulations...greedy corporations are gutting the nation from within, while much of the corporate media...The Enron Kid likes to talk about national security.

Interesting...Are you sure this guy is a Conservative?

Is he simply jealous that he is virtually off the radar and is jumping on the hate-Bush bandwagon made celebrity by Michael Moore?

[Mulholland]

I am assuming, tech, given you find credibility in detractors, that you must believe the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. Over 200 Swift Boat Veterans have refuted JFKerry, with facts (unlike the allegations of Mssr. Reese), and have no political points to score and are are not profiting from their dissent...The tone of the the Swift Boat vets is considerably more reasonable and sober than that of this editorialist.

[Moneyguy1]

I am certain one can find folks of the "liberal" persuasion that are not happy with the Dems pick as well. The article just goes to show that opinions can differ and in a CIVILIZED way.

On a personal level, there are some points in the article that bring out unsettling aspects of the current president and his administration, but there are also questions unanswered by the Kerry camp as well.

I am concerned about the latest one billion plus "problem" with Halliburton. I do not want our troops placed in any more peril than necessary.

[techweenie]

I figured you guys would have some problems with Reese.

The point is that GWB is as far from a 'real conservative' as can be. Elsewhere here, people are calling Bush a 'fiscal conservative' which is demonstrably not true. but labels stick, sometimes, where they don't belong. we had a real conservative running for Governor here in California, and he was beat by a stealth Democrat, which I find hilarious.

All I'm saying is open your minds a bit and see beyond the labels.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
I am concerned about the latest one billion plus "problem" with Halliburton. I do not want our troops placed in any more peril than necessary.

One reason for all the hubbub about trivialities in the Presidential race is to keep Halliburton off the front pages.

The Halliburton scandals -- more now related to when Cheney was CEO -- are exploding and the right-leaning press is nearly silent about it. These scandals rise to the level of stink that long ago got Nixon's VP replaced.

It'll be interesting to see if rumors of Cheney being replaced on the ticket come true.

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by techweenie

VOTE FOR A MAN, NOT A PUPPET

by Charley Reese

His administration leans dangerously toward the
authoritarian...

...Besides, it would be fun to have a president who plays hockey,
windsurfs, ride motorcycles, plays the guitar, writes poetry and speaks French. It would be good to have a man in the White House who has killed people face to face. Killing people has a sobering effect on a man and dispels all illusions about war.

Isn't this basically a free ad for JFKerry?...Why are the liberal media allowed to advertise ad nauseum for liberal candidates and bash Conservative candidates?

Why don't Conservatives groups attack organizations like Moveon.org and reporters like Charley Reese?...Like the fascist left does...

"In the complaint to the Federal Election Commission, the watchdog groups argued that Swift Boat Veterans for Truth should have used only limited contributions from individuals known as hard money on the ad and should disclose its donations and spending in reports to the FEC.

"We think this is open and shut, that the only purpose of this group is to influence the presidential election," said Fred Wertheimer, head of Democracy 21."
http://ap.augustachronicle.com/pstories/politics/20040810/2360760.shtml



HIS administration leans dangerously close to the authoritarian?

[techweenie]

Mul: is there anything in that fax you find untruthful?

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by techweenie
Mul: is there anything in that fax you find untruthful?

Ya, the threatening nature of it and the attempt at impugning Vietnam vets and their right to free speech...untruthful and borderline fascist.

[techweenie]

BZZT.

Actually, there is nothing untruthful in that fax.

I don't see a threat stated or implied.

You find the *fact* of the fax to be the problem? But you're only concerned about impugning Viet vets that you like, right?

[Mulholland]

"The advertisement contains statements by men who purport to have served on Senator Kerry's SWIFT Boat in Vietnam, and one statement by a man pretending to be the doctor who treated Senator Kerry for on of his injuries."

Here is a two-for-one lie tech.

[Mulholland]

"The entire advertisement, therefore, is an outrageous inflammatory lie."

What Democrats do best, blame the accuser of the very thing they are doing...This lie is an outrageous inflammatory lie, to impugn soldiers who served with Kerry, treated Kerry and served on Kerry's fantasy Holiday in Cambodia.

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by techweenie
I don't see a threat stated or implied.

"Your station is responsible for the false and libelous charges made by this sponsor."

Another twofur...A lie and a threat all wrapped up in one nice little package.



If that ain't fascism...I do not know what is.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Mulholland
"The advertisement contains statements by men who purport to have served on Senator Kerry's SWIFT Boat in Vietnam, and one statement by a man pretending to be the doctor who treated Senator Kerry for on of his injuries."

Here is a two-for-one lie tech.

Both statements are true.

[CamB]

It appears to be using legal remedies to prevent untrue claims by SBVfT.

If allegations of a similar sort, which were able to be legally challenged, were being made against Bush (or anyone else), then they would also be able to write such a letter.

Its not fascism - they can air the ad and take the consequences (if any), based on their own judgement as to whether the SBVfT ads are responsible or not.

Seriously, look back over this thread. You've called:

- Charley Reese's article "ultra-left".
- You've reaccused Kerry of war crimes, but elsewhere insist that his accusations to the Senate of war crimes in Vietnam were false.
- You've called the left "fascist" a couple more times, despite ample evidence that they are anything but
- You posted a fax stating that the SBVfT are producing misleading ads, and by disbelieving the facts in the fax you conclude that the fax is (a) a lie; and (b) threatening, authoritarian and (wait for it...) fascist.

Can you objectively (engage the left side of your brain ) look at this list and take yourself seriously?

[Moneyguy1]

And, of course, the Prez is now, in his speeches bragging that "Senator Kerry now agrees with me about Iraq", while only telling his audience less than half of Kerry's statement

Sorta like Crawford Texas ranch being "the old homestead" (last nail pounded in Summer 2000) Look it up.

Half truths. Not actually lies; just not the complete story. Hell, Clinton did it, Nixon did it, Johnson did it, why not Bush? It is a time honored political tradition.

I started out wondering whether Kerry was a viable alternative to GWB, and I have come up with the following thoughts:

I think the world is far more complex and dangerous than the President sees it. As such, I fear simple answers to complex questions, and international relations are extremely complex. A have stated many times that Afganistan was necessary since it was the stronghold for some very nasty people. I have, however, also said that Iraq could have waited until the first job was complete.

To manage this morass, a bunch of folks were taken out of eight years of storage and put back in charge. The world had changed drastically in that eight years. But, old grudges had to be addressed.

I would prefer a leader with an active imagination to one who has little imagination. I would prefer a president who would try to morph the cloud of fear into something positive, where the people were involved like they were in WWII, through an updated equivalent of Civil Defense Wardens and Home Guard; empowering the people would be far superior than this constant "be afraid..be very afraid". I grew up learning how to duck and cover under a school desk. THAT was really assuring......

I would like a president who has tried different things and has eclectic interests. Anyone here doubt the value of "transfer" as applied from one discipline to another? In the financial markets, I found my undergrad degree in mechanical engineering was very helpful is seeing relationships.

I would like a president that does not assume that God is on his side but, rather, that he is on God's side. Assuming to know the mind of God makes me wonder about the stability of an individual.

I would like a President that understands the world was given to us to be stewards of, not to destroy as we wish, and that things like medical research must continue and, if "faith" is to be a prime mover, consider that God would not have included stem cells in the plan had He not wished us to discover their uses. And, sending in surrogates to tell people there is little hope in that line of research is, in the true sense of the word, disingenuous particulary when the surrogate does not have the qualifications to make such statements. Statements like that are opinions, not facts, and should be labelled as such.

I would like a President that understands at least the basics of economics and financial theory, and how they can be applied to the New World Order of globalization. Once again, we have had very simple solutions being applied to very complex problems.

Does Kerry fill this bill? Not completely, but neither does Bush. The President, to me, is like a jigsaw man. There are elements to him that seem to be missing, and that makes me uncomfortable. Kerry likewise. But, I know the President and I have a pretty good idea what the next four years may hold.

Personally, I do not think a new face could make things any worse.

BTW..The Halliburton "problem" is now $1.8 billion.

[ronin]

Originally re-posted by Mulholland
It would be good to have a man in the White House who has killed people face to face.

lmao! what? some poor unarmed schmuck in a loincloth? and that after he was sure there was no other hostile fire in the area? yeah, that's what we need