Another big RNC lie bites the dust

[techweenie]

Despite being proven wrong earlier this year, Bushies have continued to repeat what they know is a lie: the 'the world has become a safer place since the invasion of Iraq.'

It wasn't true earlier this year, and the terror threat is on the rise dramatically:

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NBC News findings run counter to recent Bush administration claims
By Robert Rivas and Robert Windrem
NBC News
Updated: 10:43 a.m. ET Sept. 2, 2004

NEW YORK - As speakers at the GOP convention trumpet Bush administration successes in the war on terrorism, an NBC News analysis of Islamic terrorism since Sept. 11, 2001, shows that attacks are on the rise worldwide — dramatically.

Of the roughly 2,929 terrorism-related deaths around the world since the attacks on New York and Washington, the NBC News analysis shows 58 percent of them — 1,709 — have occurred this year.

In the past 10 days, in fact, the number of dead has risen by 142 people in places as diverse as Russia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Israel. On Tuesday, the number of civilians killed by terrorists totaled 38 — 10 at a subway entrance bombing in Moscow, 16 in a bus bombing in Israel and 12 Nepalese executed in Iraq.

Moreover, the level of sophistication is increasing. Terrorism experts point in particular to the attacks apparently carried out by Chechen rebels during that 10-day period. The rebels, whose top military commanders have been Arabs, are operating at a whole different level.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5889435/

[araine901]

How many attacks on America since 9/11? I would imagine a presidents job is to keep us safe first. Since he cannot enforce laws in other contries it seems a bit retarded to think we can control what happens in other countries. But the UN could fix it right? Are they done in Bosnia yet?

[lendaddy]

LOL, get off it man, it ain't selling. Dissect words and twist em all day, no one can hear you. The average trailerpark, Pabst swilling, dope smoking flunky knows what was meant by that statement. Apparently you(and your corhorts) do not, so live it up.

The future safety of Americans and the rest of the world is in better shape than it would have been if we had done nothing. Please post an article from the forth dimension showing what the attacks would have been HAD we done nothing. See my point? Hell, you saw it before but choose to twist. My new nic for you is Chubby Checker

[techweenie]

Araine, previously, it was 9 years between attacks on America. so we won't have a true measure of success for a while, but DHS is so ridiculously underfunded and ineffectual, I wouldn't bank on it.

But the point is the Bushies are claiming to have made the world safer and it's a lie.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by lendaddy
The average trailerpark, Pabst swilling, dope smoking flunky knows what was meant by that statement.

I'll take your word for it.

[Mule]

Wait, wait, wait! The left wing pu$$ies cry when we do anything to anybody in defense of the USA. Now they are going to ***** about the USA not solving the problem for the entire planet? Come on guys only John Kerry can have things both ways.

[lendaddy]

And then, lol, instead of saying "I disagree with his statement" you call him a liar. Good stuff man, now where's my Pabst

[BGCarrera32]

Hey tech when you find a new article on the internet to paste does it go something like this: "ooh ooh awhhh yeah oooh gotta post this....this il' get em'....oh yeah cut-paste...ooooh..."

Geez...

[araine901]

I am sure you read that about DHS but my oldest brother is a GS17 and runs dentention and trasportation for DHS and sits in the meetings with the big dogs and has a different perspctive. They have foild many, many more attempts of terrorist attacks than get published. They dont publish them all becuase they do not want to identify thier methods of detection. I can tell you this, there are about 20K less terrorist in the world. It is begining to be a dead end job.

[techweenie]

araine: I have no doubt terrorist attacks have been foiled, just like they were before the *30th* government department was created to help deal with it.

The entire DHS budget is equal to how many weeks of the Iraq war? What percentage of international cargo containers coming in to US ports are screened? About how many illegals cross the border every day?

[island911]

Geez you guys, give tech a break . ..it's not like he's simply trying to deflect the mainstream topic of Zell Millers speech last night.

Besides, he has a valid point. . . . now what was the NBC News analysis of Islamic terrorism back on Sept. 10th, 2001? . . .analysis said we were safer then, than we are now; right?

Tech, c'mon, you can do better than just throwing-out baseless spun crap like this.

Ya know, if you claimed that 'Bush can't have any idea if we're safer now' I would have a bit of respect for the argument, but c'mon. .."NBC News analysis of Islamic terrorism --says Boosh Rong" . . .puh-lease.

Fighting terrorism is like fighting fire. The way you lib's talk, it's like you're saying "send the FD back to the barn. . .what they have been fighting is helping nothing.'

[tabs]

Originally posted by araine901
They have foild many, many more attempts of terrorist attacks than get published. They dont publish them all becuase they do not want to identify thier methods of detection. I can tell you this, there are about 20K less terrorist in the world.

They also don't want to scare the American people...

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by techweenie
The entire DHS budget is equal to how many weeks of the Iraq war? What percentage of international cargo containers coming in to US ports are screened? About how many illegals cross the border every day?

You've been listening to KPFK haven't you?...The left wing labor unions simply want more union thugs at the ports...that is the only reason they make an issue out of it.

How many legals cross the border every day?....Republicans would have handled this long ago, but every time we give it a go, you liberal cry "RACIST!!!"...Which will happen if Bush does do something about illegals.

Another example of Democrats manufacturing a problem and then either blaming or slandering Republicans when they offer a solution.

[lendaddy]

But but but but... lol... Look man I know it looks bad for ya right now, but things could change. Don't go gettin all weird just yet, you want to maintain your credibility incase this surge slows down.

"I John Kerry vow to search .8% more cargo containers than George W Bush". Yea run with that

[Overpaid Slacker]

I don't think this is a "lie" "biting any dust" but it's food for thought. My first questions are -- who determines whether a death is related to a terrorist incident? Second, who determines whether it's a "terrorist incident"? Are roadside bombings in a war zone in Iraq "terrorist" attacks? It'd be convenient if they were if you really wanted to try to do was dis Bush and not inform. FTR, the link isn't working for me, so I don't know if they deal with it.

Also, as has been alluded to, many of the attacks are those which we haven't been directly trying to (even if we were able) to prevent. Many of the losses cited above have to do with Chechen rebels attacking Russia -- this is not a front we're engaged on, frankly -- and it's impossible for us to be so. It is unreasonable to so broadly construe terrorist attacks and global safety to include what Russia deems to be an internal conflict it will not allow the world to intervene upon.

It's intellectually sloppy (or really conveeeeeeenient) to lump attacks predicated on an "internal" civil war that the US has no ability to influence with islamofascist terrorism around the world. Tech, you split hairs and find "distinctions without a difference" all over the place; you can't honestly tell me you don't see the difference here. Just put down the knee-jerk Bush hatred crap for one day; you may wind up a happier person.

JP

[widebody911]

I wouldn't consider it a 'lie' per se; it's just one another unprovable jingle of the RNC, carrying no more weight than Pepsi's "the choice of a new generation" or Mazda's "zoom zoom!" OTOH, the average trailerpark, Pabst swilling, dope smoking flunkies who make up the bulk of the GOP's AM-radio worshipping support base take this as the Gospel according to George and parrot it incessantly.

The actual lie bit the dust several months ago when they had to 're-state' their numbers in the terrorism report.

Even better, I love the statistic these yahoos throw around "20k terrorists dead" "75% of Al Quaeda cells eliminated" - so, when did they do the census?

[island911]

Kerry Koolaid -the choice of a new generation.

hmmm. . .not so good

Kerry Bandaid- the choice of a new generation.

Yea, that sticks.

[Overpaid Slacker]

Island -

{snort, snicker}

[tabs]

Does anybody here think the DNC is a paragon of virtue? That Kerry will be anymore honest than GW? Why do U think the Democrats are fighting so hard they want their noses back in the trough. Further than that the faction that is in control of the Democratic party at the moment is the Socialist Wing of the party that is controled by Limosene Liberals...Elitests that want to tell you how to live, because they are smarter and better looking than you are..after all they graduated from Harvard and U... well are trailer trash...

The other Democratic Party choich is the Bill Clinton....Used Car Saleman ideology....of situational ethics...the ends justify the means..win at any cost but win. It doesn't matter if the country sinks a little lower theres still table scraps at the top.

Those are your choichs in the Democratic Party..one of Bankrupt ideals...

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by widebody911
OTOH, the average trailerpark, Pabst swilling, dope smoking flunkies who make up the bulk of the GOP's AM-radio worshipping support base take this as the Gospel according to George and parrot it incessantly.

Edited for content. No personal attacks allowed. -Z-man.