The Solution is to Clamp Down - Page 2

dd74 · 09-21-2004, 09:41 AM

World opinion? Come on now. The term "all's fair in love and war" comes to mind. They behead our innocents, we conjure conflagration in brilliant white light.

Yes, the world will pay attention. They'll say "Oh no!" and soon realize we have enough to drop on other countries if they get out of line.

You've said so yourself as have others here, including the president himself: world opinion does not matter if world opinion is not in our best interest.

What I'm getting at is we aren't winning Iraq. We're attempting to douse that fire with water from an eye dropper. It's now time to step things up - a few notches. Therefore, I think tactical nukes or at least carpet bombing is the way to go. I mean, really, Tabs, let's get this crap over with so that Bush or Kerry doesn't have to contend with it for the next four years.

dd74 · 09-21-2004, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by widebody911
WTF didn't anyone get a PPI before they 'bought' the damn country?

Damn! That's one of the funniest statements I've read on this board to date. Hilarious!

Moses · 09-21-2004, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by widebody911
There's a country I'm thinking of invading; can someone recommend a shop to do a PPI on Iraq? Does anyone have one of those CountryFax accounts?

Thanks!
--George

CountryFax report for Iraq:

Title: Unclear. Partially restored after salvage title issued by the British.

Accidents: Generally considered to be in a single continuous, ongoing collision with the 20th century.

Odometer: Miles and miles of nothing.

Condition: In general disrepair. Leaks oil. (a lot).

tabs · 09-21-2004, 10:18 AM

U may think I'm just winging ***** here..but the proof of the pudding that I'm not winging ***** is the fact that I say NO to NUKES...

It is far better to lose 1000's more American lives than to use a Nuke FIRST...Call it a moral issue if you will....Bin Laden and the rest of the world will get the message if we are willing to do it the hard way...with feet on the ground... then he and all the other scum will know we not only have the moral ground but the same will as they have to sacrafice ourselves for something we believe in...

dd74 · 09-21-2004, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tabs
...Bin Laden and the rest of the world will get the message if we are willing to do it the hard way...with feet on the ground... then he and all the other scum will know we not only have the moral ground but the same will as they have to sacrafice ourselves for something we believe in...

Bin Laden and the rest of the world have already seen that we can't win this way, and that we need even more troops just to hope to make an impact. That's why The Draft has come up.

Look, either you want to win, or play games. So which is it? We've fed enough of our lambs to the sacrifice.

tabs · 09-21-2004, 10:27 AM

Send in more troops..put a US soldier on every corner with a machine gun.....then you put an Irwreckie on evry corner with the American soldier then just the Irwreckie.. The we get the fk outa Dodge and call it good..

dd74 · 09-21-2004, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tabs
Send in more troops...

Uh-huh. Like in Vietnam...

Look, if you want to destroy an ideology expediently, your best bet is complete and swift annihilation. Enough foreplay. Let's have the money shot.

tabs · 09-21-2004, 10:51 AM

Shame on U DD you know this ain't Vietnam...

Quacking Duck ...U bin in Hollywood land for toooo long, or bin watchin those Francis Marion Morrison movies till dawn again....get back to the planet.... We ain't gona be the first ones to use Nukes

dd74 · 09-21-2004, 10:59 AM

Nor are we about to establish troops on every street corner, unless we reach a nice toll of, um...maybe 5,000; maybe more.

If it is unwinnable no matter how much fresh Marine meat is thrown at it, it becomes a quagmire.

I say nuke 'em, but you say moral issues? Since when are moral issues part of this conflict?

tabs · 09-21-2004, 12:01 PM

Always have been....have you noticed that since 1945 nobody has used a NUke on anybody else....and then the rarional was that it saved millions of US and Japanese lives (we didn't have to invade)

Superman · 09-21-2004, 12:07 PM

Island blew my cover on another thread, so some of you may know I'm not entirely neutral when it comes to politics. Still, I feel as though I notice two things.

1) The answers, or at least the relevant questions to ask, seem to always get presented here. These are tough problems, and no easy answers. Or at least that's how those posts strike me, though obviously some disagree. Some feel there are not that many questions, and the answers are exceedingly simple. Which brings me to....

2) For some, this is like a football game and what we're seeing here is the empty beer cans hitting the TV screen. "Blow 'em all to Kingdom Come and let God sort 'em out." I sometimes wish I were one of these people. Life, and international relations, would be much simpler.

Kevin Powers · 09-21-2004, 12:14 PM

syria, jordan, egypt, saudi arabia, iran, indonesia, france, germany, great britton. you see, they just are not going far enough to erase the problem. the u.s. needs to occupy each country and bring the murderous bastads to their knees.

dd74 · 09-21-2004, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Superman
Island blew my cover on another thread, so some of you may know I'm not entirely neutral when it comes to politics. Still, I feel as though I notice two things.

1) The answers, or at least the relevant questions to ask, seem to always get presented here. These are tough problems, and no easy answers. Or at least that's how those posts strike me, though obviously some disagree. Some feel there are not that many questions, and the answers are exceedingly simple. Which brings me to....

2) For some, this is like a football game and what we're seeing here is the empty beer cans hitting the TV screen. "Blow 'em all to Kingdom Come and let God sort 'em out." I sometimes wish I were one of these people. Life, and international relations, would be much simpler.

Relevant questions...empty beer cans hitting the TV screen. One of what people?

What's your point?

Superman · 09-21-2004, 01:40 PM

dd, I am reporting my vision of a dichotomy. On the one hand, we've got guys with their index knuckle against their lips, slightly wrinkled brow, noticing a terrible and frightening problem and imagining the various things that might work or not work.

And on the other hand, I see another group of people who think we just have not killed enough towel-heads. Throwing suggestions like this one out, just like the NFL fan might throw an empty beer can at the TV in disgust at the play calling by the coaches. And before you beer-can-throwers get your panties all in a bunch, I myself am a beer-drinking NFL fan.

And yeah, life is very complex for some people, and exceedingly simple for others. And the folks who agonize over distant things like world peace and man's inhumanity to man and what's going to happen to the lives of Americans when the Chinese finish the MASSIVE infrastructure building program that's driving raw material prices through the roof just as America's public infrastructure is beyond repair and we've squandered our fiscal resources pissing off Muslims.....wish life were as simple as it seems to be for some others.

I sincerely hope folks are mature enough to not get their feelings hurt when I say these things. I'm not trying to belittle anyone. My sister has one of those black-and-white brains and she's smarter than I am. she's got my full respect. I've taken some heat here for being critical, but I'm not going to play to the lowest common denominator, maturity-wise.

dd74 · 09-21-2004, 01:59 PM

I like to think as, and would rather practice being a peacenik, but the fact is this: Junior got us in a mess neither Junior nor Kerry can get us out of - I sincerely believe this.

So what now? My thoughts: if we really want to win this, do it by enormous and undeniable force, probably nuclear, or if at least, carpet bombing day and night. If we don't care, pull back, and let civil war take its toll.

Sure, it's a lose-lose. But it was from the get-go.

tabs · 09-21-2004, 02:16 PM

Well the Quacker becomes a Hawk when in despair

dd74 · 09-21-2004, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tabs
Well the Quacker becomes a Hawk when in despair

Yeah, but how many of my threads have been closed, chief?

And anyway, what're you so afraid of? He's your war president. He likes this war. Oh, wait. No nukes. You mean because there're rules in war? I woulda never guessed.

Hey, like I said, I like peace - so much so that I'm willing to wipe a modern-day country from the Earth's memory if it'll result in peace. You Neocons should feel the same way, unless you're no better than the beheader jihadists who like to watch a man's head get sliced from his body sloooowwwllly. Is it the same with war? Do you like to see war unfold sloooowwwllly?

As for me, I just want to get the ***** over with, and shove democracy down the world's throat once and for all, Tabbikins...

tabs · 09-21-2004, 02:31 PM

Well that just part of being Tabby....if I don't get one closed once in awhile I'm slipping and can't claim to be Tabby anymore...Besides that...

Once U start using Nukes it's a quick desent into the abyss...

Using them won't result in peace...Using ground feet in day to day slogging will slowly achieve what we want...which is a stabile Irwreck. I base my comments on what the Egyptian Foreign Minister said on C Rose last night.

yellow911turbo · 09-21-2004, 02:31 PM

I agree with the more-force idea, but...

DD: what could you nuke in Iraq? 95% of the people live in cities that you can count on your fingers. I assume you mean that we should nuke one of those cities? 22 million civilians and ~20k bad guys. That's .001% of the population. If we could convince all of the bad guys to get together in one of those cities and take out all of the civilians, I would say "nuke 'em! the hell with what the rest of the world says" but if we could get those 20k together, several hundred marines and a few f-16s and the war would be over within 2 days.

What's my suggestion? Take out the leaders. I think Israel is taking the proper approach to the Hamas. I know that's not an easy thing to do and perhaps they have been trying to do just that, but it makes sense to me. Find Sadr and take care of him. You say that someone will replace him. That's good. Keep taking them out until all of the intelligent ones are taken out. It'll leave a lot of stupid bad guys behind.

dd74 · 09-21-2004, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tabs
Once U start using Nukes it's a quick desent into the abyss...

Using them won't result in peace...Using ground feet in day to day slogging will slowly achieve what we want...which is a stabile Irwreck. I base my comments on what the Egyptian Foreign Minister said on C Rose last night.

That's crap. What "abyss?"

And don't be so sure about the peace part. Fear can develop peace. Fear, in fact, is peace.

Under Saddam, the country was stable. All I'm saying is we have to become...wait...I got it...

THE NEW SADDAM!!!