The Solution is to Clamp Down

[widebody911]

As I suggested a couple days ago, we have 3 options;

• Nuke 'em let Allah/god/Chthulu sort 'em out
• stay the present course and keep the coffin/bodybag lobby happy
• get the fsck out of dodge

"Take out the leaders" may have worked in Dungeons and Dragons, but it's not going to work in this case. Remember my Sorcerer's Apprentice analogy? Yeah, like that.

[dd74]

Originally posted by yellow911turbo
I agree with the more-force idea, but...

DD: what could you nuke in Iraq? 95% of the people live in cities that you can count on your fingers. I assume you mean that we should nuke one of those cities? 22 million civilians and ~20k bad guys. That's .001% of the population. If we could convince all of the bad guys to get together in one of those cities and take out all of the civilians, I would say "nuke 'em! the hell with what the rest of the world says" but if we could get those 20k together, several hundred marines and a few f-16s and the war would be over within 2 days.

What's my suggestion? Take out the leaders. I think Israel is taking the proper approach to the Hamas. I know that's not an easy thing to do and perhaps they have been trying to do just that, but it makes sense to me. Find Sadr and take care of him. You say that someone will replace him. That's good. Keep taking them out until all of the intelligent ones are taken out. It'll leave a lot of stupid bad guys behind.

Can't find Sadr. He's mixed in Fallujah's population. That's why you destroy Fallujah entirely, and serve notice to the rest of the no-go-zones. Who cares, after all? Fallujah's a dump. We'd be doing them a favor, actually.

[tabs]

Sadr isn't in Fallujah...he is down S in Sh!et land ....Narjf or what ever they call it? That F place is Sunni land....and that Alwari Terrorist is known to hang out in the Mosques there...

[dd74]

Originally posted by tabs
Sadr isn't in Fallujah...he is down S in Sh!et land ....Narjf or what ever they call it? That F place is Sunni land....and that Alwari Terrorist is known to hang out in the Mosques there...

Whichever. Nuke one of them.

[island911]

Originally posted by dd74
That's crap. What "abyss?"

And don't be so sure about the peace part. Fear can develop peace. Fear, in fact, is peace.

Under Saddam, the country was stable. All I'm saying is we have to become...wait...I got it...

THE NEW SADDAM!!!

I KNEW IT! . . .I knew that's where you were going . .heheh.

Ya know. . . we could likely get the same effect by "testing one" out in their desert there.

[dd74]

Of course you knew, because honestly, doesn't that seem like the natural progression? We're not pulling out - not in this day in age. Yes, Vietnam was different. Not the war - but the perception - and the media coverage. This is much different because of those two ingredients - perception and coverage.

Colin Powell wasn't yanking GW's leash when he said "You'll own it." We do own it. Now how do we fix it? Tit-for-tat schoolyard punches is good for lots of lost $$ billions. Nah, we need to get this thing finished. It's the only way as I see it.

And sure, maybe these Iraqis are nothing more than a glorified collection of tribesmen and vagabonds. If that's the case then it's more than evident that they need a lead herdsman.

So where does that leave us? Where else? The New Saddam, only this time with lighter skin and better tailored clothes.

[tabs]

Remember I said stabile not Democratic...

[fintstone]

Nah...really screw them over....put the old Saddam back in charge.

[fintstone]

It seems to be working...from a NY Post article:

U.S. commanders said they believe the near-daily targeting of foreign fighters is starting to create fissures among insurgents in Fallujah. Initially, the outsiders were welcomed by the Mujaheddin Shura Council, an 18-member group of clerics, tribal sheiks and former Baath Party members who effectively run the city and elements of the insurgency. But now, many Fallujah residents appear to be growing weary of Zarqawi's followers, according to residents interviewed by telephone.

Zarqawi's agenda appears to extend well beyond the goal of residents, who want to keep U.S. forces out of the city. He and his supporters have turned the city into a base for wider attacks, particularly against Iraqi officials and security forces. His loyalists, many of whom adhere to the strict Salafi school of Islam, also have attempted to instill hard-line social restrictions, demanding that women cover their hair and hectoring men for not growing beards. Although Fallujah is a deeply religious city, many residents follow mystical Sufi beliefs, such as praying by the graves of relatives, which Salafis regard as blasphemous.

In what may be the strongest sign of tension between residents and foreigners, the head of the Shura Council, Abdullah Janabi, who had invited foreigners to the city in April, issued a statement on Friday calling Zarqawi a "criminal."

"We don't need Zarqawi to defend our city," said Janabi, who sought to draw a distinction between what he called "Iraqi resistance fighters" and foreign fighters engaged in a campaign against Iraq's infrastructure, foreign civilians and Iraqi security forces. "The Iraqi resistance is something and the terrorism is something else. We don't kidnap journalists and we don't sabotage the oil pipelines and the electric power stations. We don't kill innocent Iraqis. We resist the occupation."

Zarqawi's actions, Janabi said, have "harmed the resistance and made it lose the support of people."

Residents have reported skirmishes between residents and foreign fighters in recent weeks. The fighting has broken out after residents, fearful of airstrikes, have sought to evict foreigners from their neighborhoods, the residents said.

A delegation from the Shura Council intends to travel to Baghdad this week for discussions with Iraqi government officials aimed at a negotiated settlement that would allow Iraqi security forces to enter the city, council members said. But two demands of the council — that non-Iraqi fighters loyal to the council be allowed to stay in Fallujah and that U.S. forces remain outside the city — could scuttle the talks. Iraqi government officials have expressed an unwillingness to permit foreign fighters or create exclusion zones for U.S. forces.