Truth hurts, huh tabs?

now you're reducing yourself to calling me stuff like "childish?"

LOL

If anything's childish, it's the comments that I replied to.

If I were to answer your question about whether Bush Sucks or not I would be falling into your trap....

However it does seem that you are a quick learner....

I was just correcting some erroneous information on the part of flintstone...


sorry if I wasn't as eloquent as one would like..,.

Oh and the 3rd part of your response isn't addressed to me so I didn't have to make a comment on that....

Oh U underestimate yourself on your eloquence

Conservatives, are wise enough to know that "fiscal conservatism" is neither wise during war nor during a recession. Liberals probably are too....but choose to play dumb in a feeble attempt to advance their ill conceived agenda.

Convenient how the deficit always SKYROCKETS when a republican is in office.....

Excuses are like *********s... 5% of the budget is for war. where does the other 95% go?

This is my point. You are so full of hate that you do not discus issues..you discuss personalities. If you were truly sincere...you would post about something the new attorney general appointee has proposed that you think is unconstitutional and why...not that he sucks.

That is because a republican always comes to office as the result of a disastrous liberal administration that has played social experimentor and anti-military appeaser for 4 years and the populace deciding they want some grown-ups in office to fix things.

Full of hate? HATE? The statement below is loaded with HATE towards "liberals" ("liberals" meaning anyone who feels Bush is a poor leader)!

If I said to you that you guys don't support this country or our troops, how the HELL would you feel? Would this make you HAPPY? What a slap in the face. Disgraceful comments from YOU.

LOL that's one of the lamest excuses I've heard yet. That was good tho. Thanks.

I'm going out to dinner. You kids play nice.

LOL...Yep thats just about what it amounts to.....

LOL, this coming from a grown man who is still firmly attached to his parents teats.

All I can tell you is how I felt about "anti-war". "anti-military" folks when I was in the service (and still do)....and how all my military friends feel. We/they feel that the anti-war crowd prolongs the war, encourages our enemies, and endangers their lives daily. It simply provides aid and comfort to the enemy. Whether it is because liberals are misguided...or because they do it intentionally...the effect is the same. How could you possibly see it any differen? Heck..the terrorists actually quote the Democratic leadership. What more proof do you need?

There was plenty of opportunity to discuss the war prior to deploying our troops...now they are in harms way and all you do is prolong the misery.
This country is at war, not just the President or the Republicans. There was plenty of opportunity to elect a president, a House, or Congress that reflected your views...but you could not. Twice. Why not try to support those who were elected and try to do something positive. Who knows...maybe the small minority that feels as you do are the ones who are wrong?

Again, misconceptions...

I am NOT anti military
I am NOT anti war

I'm all for defending ourselves. Geez, what the hell do you think? We run around with flowers sticking them in guns?

Those days are GONE.

Iraq is the issue. IRAQ. Iraq was not about terrorism, in fact, it helps breed more terrorists.

Meanwhile, the real threats grow.....

Well, it was not that much time since bush and his cronies were in a big rush to get this war started but you are right that there was time to discus this matter.

Just in case you don't remember those days, even after 9/11 most americans and the supermajority of the people on the planet were against the iraq war.

Thats the reason why bush and his lackies lied about everything from iraqi drone aircraft being sent to our country to release chemical and biological weapons to their nuke program being an immediate threat.

In addition to those BS claims there were some real doozies like the claims that bin laden was recieving direct support from saddam.

This bunk was designed for the sole purpose of manufacturing enough consent from potential voters so that our nation could invade another that happened to have a lot of strategic resources.

You fint are just a poster child for the kind of dupe that buys into this crap.

Even now that the initial claims are known to be false you will still try to claims no lies were made to invade iraq and that our noble mission all along was to free the iraqi nation from opression via the murder of thousands of their civilians, dwarfing our own losses of 9/11 in a country the fraction of our size.

When I see your modern strangelovian ramblings each day on this board I really wish the military had left you locked in that nuke bunker with a fake launch button.

LMAO !

Aurel

Classic.

Oh, Jesus..... http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/wat4.gif http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/wat3.gif :D

Yes, and as I read your factually deficient, intellectually dishonest, childish fabrications; I wish you were still delivering pizzas.....

Oh wait…you are.

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Let me see if I get this right..

Because, at the beginning, I made a statement that I felt for the folks left in that Hell hole, I was labelled as somehow being unAmerican. I resent that. I truly resent that.

Then, throughout the discussion, everyone who disagrees with the current policies is somehow unAmerican (of course, Aural IS not American, but there is a slight but obvious difference between the two concepts). That is an insult to every free citizen who believes in discussing things in an open and honest forum without fear of reprisal or ridicule.

All those who can be labelled on way or another, are being labelled, by the same posters showing both a lack of debating skills and a retreat to the lowest form of argument. I decline from naming names. You know who you are.

You know, folks, I generally try not to take sides, but to present alternatives that could be considered. When I have, the general response from a few is "interesting; let's talk"..and to others, these observations are dismissed out of hand since they do not agree totally with preconceived ideas that can neither be proven or disproven, but have become simply overused hackneyed phrases devoid of meaning and based in nothing. It is as if a new approach or a different viewpoint is a dangerous thing and must, at all costs, be avoided.

Sure, we have to work to maintain this country. That means real work, not clipping coupons. That sometimes means putting our life on the line at times to defend our fellow citizens. That would include volunteering for the armed forces, learning about the world and willing to go without some of the so-called pleasures for awhile. Personally, I think the draft should be reinstituted and every individual under 35 should spend two years in the service of his or her country. Then, perhaps, some of you flag wavers might learn a little about what is out there first hand rather than quoting your favorite blogger, whether that blogger be from the left or the right. Heck, you might even learn how to listen and compromise. Neither are a crime. Yet.

I am not here to be labelled by those who do not know me. I am not here to have any single ideaology crammed up my butt to the exclusion of other ideas. I am not going to follow any leader lockstep into an uncertain future. You want a similarity between another historical era and today? In both cases there were followers that would believe anything the leader said or did was not to be questioned. You see, it is not the leader that in the end determines the outcome, but the loyal followers who carry out the orders without question.

End of rant. Kindly keep your negative and sarcastic responses to yourselves. They will be ignored.

I can somehow imagine you rounding up dissenters w/ unbridaled glee in any of several fascistic military dictatorships throughout history...... :cool:

Here is how Fallujah looks like:


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Aurel

There are two sides and neutral in any war...you choose your's..I'll choose mine.

Wow, all this time I was working as a machinist and doing some contract IT work I must have been delivering pizza's without even noticing it.

It would seem that I pay much better attention to all the stories you post about what you have been up to, even when they are not consistent, than you have to mine.

Glad things are going better for you now.

3 hours later....

GEEZ, I said "Play Nice". Someones going behind the woodpile!

mmmmmm
 

Its really good to see such lively debate on a porker forum, I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong but from sitting here in England, the rest of the world does kind of see things a bit differently.

And before anyone thinks I'm anti US, I'm not, I've lived there, worked there, travelled etc etc etc and pretty much its all good.

How does the rest of the world see it-
Well when G20 meet and the question of how to support the $ comes up and it gets ignored its not really a vote of confidence.

And whether the head guy likes it or not the Russians have made sure that Koyoto isn't going away either.

Or when the most popular e-mails are clips of the head guy's latest guff

Now I'm not saying anything is right or wrong but as an observation - recent events and actions have not been popular on the world stage, and though many people appreciate its OK to do the right thing for the wrong reasons there is a slight uneasiness in the abilities of the head guy

All IMHO

Don't let him fool you like he does the liberals here...the head guy....is the head guy because he is brilliant.

oh good thats OK then