Is anyone actually in favor of executing juvenile offenders?

[amity914]

What about the developmentally disabled? There is a high percentage of the population on death row. Apperantly the government feels that the developmentally disabled can be executed, so why not juvinilles.
My personnal opinion is that if their over 18 and have no developmental disability then lethal inj is okay. I have worked with several DD clients and some know and are very accountable for what they have done, some don't and have a clue.

HIEDI

[mattdavis11]

I have a hard time believing that Lee Boyd Malvo didn't know that killing all those people was wrong. I also don't think the American tax payers should be keeping him alive. At the very least make Jamaica responsible for that. Discuss.

[Moneyguy1]

What other species permits "sports" to exist and procreate?

From a non-moral standpoint, based simply on species survival, mercy is irrational.

But, I suppose this is what makes humanity "noble".

[gaijinda]

Originally posted by campbellcj
"Life in Prison" without parole is an interesting concept. Of course what you are really saying is that the offender will live for anything up to 70+ years off of our society as a tax burden, with no chance whatsoever of being rehabilitated or reintroduced to society.

In some ways, a truly punishing long-term sentence definitely sounds more appealing as a deterrant; however, at what -- $50K/year (I'm not sure of the exact figure) -- per inmate, and no proven evidence that incarceration has ANY impact on crime, what is the point?

We can well afford the $50K a year. If you or a loved one has ever been the victim of a crime, I am sure you would think so too. And how could not incarceration NOT have ANY impact on crime?? You obviously dont know any criminals. I do, and believe me their crimes are not a "one time" thing.

The death penalty is hardly worth the time and effort. But it has come back in a big way (the law in liberal NY & CA) because state governments and the stockholm syndrome folks who study criminals would not commit to true life sentences.

[widebody911]

Originally posted by stomachmonkey
When I was 15 I did a lot of stupid stuff because I knew if I got caught it would only amount to a slap on the wrist. That is not the thought process of a mature adult.

Mature adults do the right thing regardless of whether or not they think they can get away with it.

Can you do me a favor? Send me a postcard from Utopia? Maybe you can pick me up some souveniers in the Duty Free shop on your way back

[Moneyguy1]

Funny, monkey...

George Carlin has a probably more realistic philosophy:

"Cop didn't see it, I didn't do it".

[Superman]

Y'know, if you don't think much about these issues, and don't want to put any more thinking into them, then they seem simple. In that case, you can throw your empty beer cans at the TV screen and bellow your criticisms as if the whole world has lost its mind. And sure (again, assuming you are avoiding the whole thinking thing), when a capital case comes up for trial for the umpteenth time, then you can complain about the senselessness of all these trials, etc.

But for thinking people, it gets more complicated. I deal in wage laws, and have done so for the last fifteen years. There are situations where the record is crystal clear. The employer violated the wage law. But instead of just paying the money, if there is enough money involved, the employer gets an attorney and away we go. First there is the administrative hearing. No kidding, these can go on for two solid weeks. Then the Proposed Decision. then the Director's Order. Then the losing party appeals to Superior Court. A good number of months go by, then a hearing, then a Superior Court Judge decision. Losing party appeals to the Court of Appeals. MANY months go by, then there's a hearing. Then many more months later, there is a decision. For someone to appeal to the state Supreme Court. Months......and the case is either heard or denied review. This process is roughly three years long. And it's bull**** because the record clearly reflected, years ago, that the law as violated. but you know what? A little term in our society called "due process." Hey, if I have to wait three years for people cheated out of minimum wage to get their money, then you have to tolerate the various appeals that are open to folks who are accused of a serious crime. I don't like it, but I'm nto prepared to give up my right to "due process" in the event that I am accused of a crime I did not commit. Scott has mentioned, and is correct, that even with our liberal due process provisions, innocent people get convicted of crimes they did not commit.

Now. PWD. Got a question for you. It's easy to toss your beer can at the screen, but are you prepared to waive your personal right to due process? Or are you just wanting to waive someone else's right to that?

[umgang]

Methamphetamine addicts invaded a home of a single mother and son and daughter. They were mad she wouldn't let them hunt on her property even though she paid them to do odd jobs. They raped her and the 12 yr old girl, then drowned all three in a lake. Execute the brain damaged hyenas!

[stomachmonkey]

Originally posted by stomachmonkey


Murder is usually a crime of passion or is not premeditated.

Asked by Halm

Interesting. I have not heard that. Do you know of a legitimate study that shows that? Not being a wise guy. Just want to know.

Asked by Rick M

????????????? Did you make this up?

Eric H. Monkkonen, UCLA professor of history and policy studies in his book on homicide statistics "Murder in New York City" writes,

"most murders happen today much the same as it did two centuries ago. Murderers are most often men and murders are most often committed in the heat of passion, as a result of an argument. "Usually, the motives are the need to assert manliness, power or territory,"


The U.S. Dept of Justice report on violent crime in 2003 states,
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cv03.htm

Arguments were the most often cited circumstance
leading to murder (28%).

Homicides occurred in connection with another felony
(such as rape, robbery, or arson) in 17% of incidents.

That only adds up to 45% so I wonder what the breakdown is for the other 55%.



Scott

[cmccuist]

There are cases when I think execution is called for.

Jennifer and Elizabeth - RIP

This case is particularly disturbing. The brutality of it haunts me to this day. My daughters were this age when it happened.

The victims were 14 and 16. The perps ranged in ages from 14 - 18. I can't justify in my mind letting the criminals live in this case.

I know the argument about it costing more to execute than wharehouse the criminals, but in this case I think it would be money well spent to "kill them all and and let God sort them out".

[CamB]

Yeah, but why do they need to die?

I said it before - does being locked up for the rest of ones life not suck enough?

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by Superman
Y'know, if you don't think much about these issues, and don't want to put any more thinking into them, then they seem simple. In that case, you can throw your empty beer cans at the TV screen and bellow your criticisms as if the whole world has lost its mind. And sure (again, assuming you are avoiding the whole thinking thing), when a capital case comes up for trial for the umpteenth time, then you can complain about the senselessness of all these trials, etc.

But for thinking people, it gets more complicated. I deal in wage laws, and have done so for the last fifteen years. There are situations where the record is crystal clear. The employer violated the wage law. But instead of just paying the money, if there is enough money involved, the employer gets an attorney and away we go. First there is the administrative hearing. No kidding, these can go on for two solid weeks. Then the Proposed Decision. then the Director's Order. Then the losing party appeals to Superior Court. A good number of months go by, then a hearing, then a Superior Court Judge decision. Losing party appeals to the Court of Appeals. MANY months go by, then there's a hearing. Then many more months later, there is a decision. For someone to appeal to the state Supreme Court. Months......and the case is either heard or denied review. This process is roughly three years long. And it's bull**** because the record clearly reflected, years ago, that the law as violated. but you know what? A little term in our society called "due process." Hey, if I have to wait three years for people cheated out of minimum wage to get their money, then you have to tolerate the various appeals that are open to folks who are accused of a serious crime. I don't like it, but I'm nto prepared to give up my right to "due process" in the event that I am accused of a crime I did not commit. Scott has mentioned, and is correct, that even with our liberal due process provisions, innocent people get convicted of crimes they did not commit.

Now. PWD. Got a question for you. It's easy to toss your beer can at the screen, but are you prepared to waive your personal right to due process? Or are you just wanting to waive someone else's right to that?

Where did I say I was against due process? By all means, give 'em a fair trial...THEN hang 'em!

[Superman]

Fair 'nuff. I appreciate the forgiveness that you guys give me at times. I am in agreement that "justice" is frustrating at times. I'm just not sure how much we could improve it without accepting a greater risk that innocent people will suffer. Strike that. I mean, without ensuring that more innocent people will suffer.

God told us not to judge. that's his job. But we still have to have social rules. So, we do the best we can, without His wisdom. Without his wisdom, we're fairly bloodthirsty and revengeful. It appears as though greater wisdom results in greater sympathy and love. So, bloodthirst and revenge usually strike me as over-simplified, arrogant, ignorant, stuff like that.

[pwd72s]

getting rid of vermin has nothing to do with bloodlust or revenge. It has everything to do with making sure, 100% positive sure, that they won't do it again. There have been cases where "life without parole" wasn't.