Army Messup...Pat Tillman dead by Friendly Fire

[bluebullet]

Just read the news on AOL at 2:55 AM this morning...a report was finally released that Tillman was killed by friendly fire after their Humvee broke down. They moved though a canyon, not knowing the other half of his squad, who was supposed to take a different route, reversed and moved through the canyon as well. No radio comm was done, and Tillman and his squad came under fire from Taliban fighters.

The rest of his squad that reversed their route, thought that the enemy fire was coming from tillmans position, unknown that it was Americans, and poured round after round into them. The Afgan Soldier with them died first, despite attempts to shouting ceasefire. Tillman threw a smoke grenade, trying to get them to stop firing, but only suceeded in having the second squads humvee move to a different position. They waved their hands, trying to get them to stop firing, only drawing more fire. After getting hit by rifles, Tillman sucumbed to the machine gun.


The driver of the second squads humvee, as he drove over the hill and saw Tillman down below, yelled up to the gunner that there were friendlies down there. Yelling Cease Fire several times, his words fell on deaf ears as the MG on top rained lead on them.

[kach22i]

Back in April, this is what they knew..............

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4815441/

Pat Tillman, who gave up the glamorous life of a professional football star to join the Army Rangers

Beevers said Tillman was killed by enemy fire, but he had no information about what type of weapons were involved in the assault, or whether he died instantly.

Note: friendly fire is always a sad story.

[djmcmath]

Friendly fire, what a misnomer. Tragic.

[RickM]

That write up is hard to read....

[kach22i]

Some irony:

(Keith Olbermann)
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/
And lastly, while we’re in this overlap among politics, sports, the rules, and the credibility of authority - a quick thought about the Pittsburgh Steelers’ football quarterback, Ben Roethlisberger. The National Football League has threatened him with a fine of $5,000 if he again adorns his shoes, or any other part of his uniform, with the hand-written message “40.”
The number is an homage to the late Arizona Cardinals’ player Pat Tillman, who quit football to serve his country as an Army Ranger, and was killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan last April.
For reasons of marketing, and to curb players from writing anything on their uniforms (whether “Hi Mom,” “Vote Bush,” or “Coca-Cola”), the NFL doesn’t want Roethlisberger paying public tribute to Tillman.
But, the league is happy to sell you a Pat Tillman replica jersey, complete with that big number 40, for $64.99.

[911pcars]

The Tilman family, according to the LA Times, accuses the military of a coverup as to the real events and who was responsible for the call. Latest news has it that there were no Taliban at all; just two platoons divided and non-communicative. Tilman's brother was in the same platoon; not sure which half though.

Sad,
Sherwood

[bigyagi]

yup, its all too sad. unfortuneately, as far back as ww2, the U.S have a great capacity, to bomb the living crap, out of themselves, and their coalition friends, despite numerous newsreel of fantastic weaponry used by the military. dont get me wrong, britain messes up too!!
i always chuckle when i think back to my days in the royal navy, as a yeoman{radio op}. how utterly hopeless, and useless nato was. you had to store, and keep crypto for EVERY navy in nato, including 2 types for the U.S, because in britain, there was no freedom of info act, and so sensitive messages were sent #1, so that info could not be obtained in the U.S , and then appear on brit tv next day! however, it was generally aknowledged that the russians{and therefore just about everyone else!} had a copy of all nato crypto, thus making it useless for all but the most routine message-handling! i never saw action, and i'm glad, because by the time a message was composed, checked, and then finally sent, by the time you received a reply, you may well have been sunk!!
last note to technology! our ship had recently been converted to sat-nav comms, and navigation. taking part in what still has been the biggest nato exercise ever,{146 ships} we were clearing a channel, for 2 U.S carriers, when we spotted what appeared to be spanish fishing boats following us! turns out our sat-nav was pretty gash, and we were out of position by a couple miles, and our gear had got tangled up with the fishing boats, and we were towing them all behind us!! funny how you can learn profanity, in an other language! really made for an interesting run ashore in gibraltar.
technology is great, but i'm afraid that sometimes man has not yet caught up to it!
bob.

[kach22i]

UPDATE 2007, three years later

Tillman's brother blasts military
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070424/ap_on_go_co/tillman_friendly_fire

WASHINGTON - Pat Tillman's brother accused the military Tuesday of "intentional falsehoods" and "deliberate and careful misrepresentations" in portraying the football star's death in
Afghanistan as the result of heroic engagement with the enemy instead of friendly fire.

I remember the Tilman case being pushed in our faces as an example of how we should all be, and being told to shurt up liberal. All the pro-administration flag waving made me sick and I did not even know the truth then, just knew his death was being flaunted in every forum and news broadcast.

He was a hero, they took more from him than his life.

[lendaddy]

So his death by friendly rather than enemy fire changes what again?

[kach22i]

Originally posted by lendaddy
So his death by friendly rather than enemy fire changes what again?

There should be an applogy by everyone who used his death to promote their own agenda, be it poltical or personal.

Justice and honor for our fallen.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070424/ap_on_go_co/tillman_friendly_fire

"We believe this narrative was intended to deceive the family but more importantly the American public," Kevin Tillman told a House Government Reform and Oversight Committee hearing. "Pat's death was clearly the result of fratricide," he said, contending that the military's misstatements amounted to "fraud."

"Revealing that Pat's death was a fratricide would have been yet another political disaster in a month of political disasters ... so the truth needed to be suppressed," said Tillman, who was in a convoy behind his brother when the incident happened three years ago but didn't see it.

............................"We shouldn't be allowed to have smoke screens thrown in our face," Mary Tillman said. "You're diminishing their true heroism to write these glorious tales. It's really a disservice to the nation."

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by kach22i
There should be an applogy by everyone who used his death to promote their own agenda

Careful now......

[HardDrive]

Originally posted by kach22i
UPDATE 2007, three years later

Tillman's brother blasts military
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070424/ap_on_go_co/tillman_friendly_fire


I remember the Tilman case being pushed in our faces as an example of how we should all be, and being told to shurt up liberal. All the pro-administration flag waving made me sick and I did not even know the truth then, just knew his death was being flaunted in every forum and news broadcast.

He was a hero, they took more from him than his life.

+1000000000000000000

Now we see just how f*cking dirty this war was. You have Tillmans brother and Jessica Lynch calling a spade a spade, and showing the utter lies the American public has been told.

And to think of the audacity it took.....the arrogance.....to have right wing A55HOLES accusing those that questioned these stories of a lack of patriotism.

Funny, I have not heard to many apologies from that camp....

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/24/tillman.hearing/index.html

[lendaddy]

Whomever lied about this should certainly be held accountable. But I'm trying to figure of how holding Tillman up as a hero and rallying the country around his spirit and sacrifice would have/should have changed based on the origin of the bullet.

[dd74]

Yep. At the same time, we're finding out more about how there was "less" to the rescue of Jessica Lynch (the Iraq war's first American POW) than what we were led to believe.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by HardDrive
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/24/tillman.hearing/index.html

Former Pfc. Jessica Lynch :

"The American people are capable of determining their own ideals for heroes, and they don't need to be told elaborate lies," she said. "I had the good fortune to come home and to tell the truth. Many soldiers, like Pat Tillman, did not have that opportunity.

"The truth of war is not always easy. The truth is always more heroic than the hype," she said. .

I have more respect for her now than ever, brave to tell the truth. I'm sure the same people who once falsely praised her are thinking of ways to undermind her and the Tilmans, how shameful. They hide in the shadows like fcuking roaches.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Whomever lied about this should certainly be held accountable. But I'm trying to figure of how holding Tillman up as a hero and rallying the country around his spirit and sacrifice would have/should have changed based on the origin of the bullet.

It went up to the President and Rumsfeld they now believe, read the articles.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by kach22i
the same people who once falsely praised her are thinking of ways to undermind her and the Tilmans, how shameful. They hide in the shadows like fcuking roaches.

Really?? Can you show us a single example of this?

[kach22i]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Really?? Can you show us a single example of this?

How about 9 examples?

I asked you to read the articles for a reason broham.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/24/tillman.hearing/index.htmlnine

The Defense Department said last month that nine military officers, including four generals, would face "corrective action" in connection with Tillman's death.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by kach22i
How about 9 examples?

I asked you to read the articles for a reason broham.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/24/tillman.hearing/index.htmlnine

I see no evidence that they "are thinking of ways to undermind her and the Tilmans" broham.

I assume you refer to the nine mentioned here.

"The Defense Department said last month that nine military officers, including four generals, would face "corrective action" in connection with Tillman's death."

Which leads me to believe you forgot what you were trying to prove.

So again I ask, can you provide an example of anyone trying to "undermine her and the Tillmans"?

[kach22i]

Originally posted by lendaddy
I see no evidence that they "are thinking of ways to undermind her and the Tilmans" broham.

I assume you refer to the nine mentioned here.

"The Defense Department said last month that nine military officers, including four generals, would face "corrective action" in connection with Tillman's death."

Which leads me to believe you forgot what you were trying to prove.

So again I ask, can you provide an example of anyone trying to "undermine her and the Tillmans"?

You lenfatty, the cronies you identify with and your general attitude of disrespect for the truth is undermining people like the Tilmans and Jessica Lynch. If it were not for Waxman and the Democrats the truth would never have it's day in Congress.

God bless America.