Parking on residential streets is legal. Should we outlaw parking outside homes where drinking may or may not occur. :rolleyes:

[note to others] time for ignore?[/note to others]

Hey you want to complain about drunk driving, then call city council and tell them to stop zoning parking lots for bars. Make sure everyone has to walk to the place to get drunk.

Until then you'll have a stream of drunk drivers because people like to drink and drive home.

[time for common sense] ???[/time for common sense]

Red, your, well, very good a re-directing simple questions and turning them around on those who said it. I do advicate killing drunks who want to get into a car and drive, get pulled over by a cop, resist arrest, and want to now speed away (If he got back in the car, do you think he would have gone the speed limit?). You are just as much of a cry-baby as everyone else, so get off your fisher-price soap box and use [some commen sense].

You worked in a bar? So then when you kicked people out for miss-behaving (which is kind of hipocritcal because you are being a bar cop) did they cool off outside? Or, were they more mad? "I don't know" would be a fine answer too. Becuase your hidden moto seems to be "out of site, out of mind".

:cool:

When (not if) I have been pulled, its drivers license and registration out and ready; both hands on the steering wheel; if at night, dome light on; front wheels pointed at the curb; and engine off.

You get respect if you give it.

:D

No it isn't, and no he didn't.

Are you honestly making the leap that some cops have used excessive force with tasers, therefore no cops should have them?

Do you honestly think that the cop in the video was not justified in using force to subdue the beligerant combative drunken idiot? Would it have been beter if he had used his nightstick? Unlike the stick, The taser hurts like hell, but does no permanent damage. When he stops resisting, the pain stops. How long the pain continues is entirely in the hands of the drunk.

You already said that once, and it doesn't make any more sense this time.

What did you get arrested for anyway? Drunk driving is my guess.

Thanks!!!

Boy I thought Ashcroft newly expanded list on who should get the death penality was bad.:rolleyes:

That is a little extreme. These cops are supposed to be trained on this. Now adays the average cop can't take down a drunk let a lone kid playing videogames or 2nd grader (sober). What do other countries do without the guns, tazers and neat push button toys of destruction? Kung Fu, Judo chops, hand to hand tackling?

Our cops seem to just loss their patience and then pick from an asortment of items to f'k the person up. Later they'll laugh about how 'funny' it was too!

I had no guns or tazers at the bar. If I had to break up a fight all I had was my hands. No walkie talkie, no 9mm, or stick. I had no training, or school to pass. Yet I was able to easily move drunks 3x the size of me out of the bar without humilating them, or nearly killing them. Nothing funny about it and it wasn't something I looked forward to.

So whats these cops excuse?

I'm sure I served drinks and got 1,000s drunk at the bar and most drove home. None of them deserved death. Our society seems to like it this way because its not going to change. Nothing wrong with drunk driving, most here do it weekly and made it home hundreds of times. It's only wrong when you get 'caught' or too plastered and do damage to others with your car.

This drunk was wrong to not listen to the cop. Perhaps the cop was inline to use a tazer. But its a lazy man's way to shut somebody down and risk death doing so.

Ok guys - lay off the personal attacks, please.

IMHO, the cop was using a stun gun - it seems pretty obvious to me.

Red does have a point that stun guns can kill, but Red - do you seriously believe that the cop was using a real gun and put a bullet into the drunk? I find that highly unlikely.

Please let's keep away from the personal attacks, and no one will get hit by a gun - stun gun or REAL gun.

Happy day!
-Zoltan.

Z,

when I first watched the video I wondered what was used. The reason I thought gun was the guy dropped like a sack of potatoes. I watched it a few times for to see what is up. No sound of gun fire but many times gun sounds don't record right and the clip was down rezed so it could have just a small pop sound. I have seen other clips when cops have fired into people point blank for being drunk.

@ this point it could have been either way

red, a tazer will drop you like a bad turd. a gun, imagine will be a bit more "expressive".

personally, i think a tazer is better than the alternative, the good old fashioned billyclub. my brother is a policeman, and i occasionally act as his stress sounding board/mental health listener. he called me a few months ago, when a two week rookie got shot to death. here is what happened: domestic violence call. rookie and his FTO responded. the dude had just beaten the crap out of his wife, and the cops had to take him in. he didnt want to cooperate. so the rookie tried to tazer him. he missed. bad guy got to a gun and opened fired. killing the kid. the veteran cop (only my opinion) blew it. bottom line, the bad guy was arrested, when he finally realized what he did. he dropped the gun and gave up. the kid was shot in the big arterie running up the leg, and bled to death crying, kicking and screaming. in my opinion, the video could have ending the same way. NO DAMN way to insure the drunk didnt have a gun. the trooper had no other options, but to stop him. if i was the veteran cop, i would have had the guy in my sights when the rookie attempted the tazer. centermass.

cliff
p.s. i am worried for my lil bro everyday.

You have a sound and reasonable opinion, and I don't see you celebrating the violence either.

Cheering and celebrating violence is sick, end of story.

I wonder why that officer had any trouble at all taking the drunk down with his bare hands. The officer was a few inches taller, much more muscular, and not drunk. From what little of the hand-to-hand that occured on screen it looked like that officer had abolutely no hand-to-hand combat trianing. And it really takes very little knowledge of hand-to-hand combat to take out a smaller, weaker, drunk oppenent. IMO if the officer had a week or two of proper training he would have taken the drunk down about a second after he took ahold of his arm, and never would have needed to to resort to the stun gun.

RedUFO..

If you think it could be "either way" you've never actually seen someone shot.

When you get shot, you don't "collapse" like a sack of potatos... You get knocked back a few feet onto your a$$. ...and there's a BIG hole from a cop issue 9mm on the other side...

yeah but how far is a taser's range? it looked like he was a good 3-4 feet back and you hear this 'click' and the guy drops to the ground. I thought tasers had to be in contact with something to work?

I figured he pulled his gun by the way he was holding his hands, and shot rubber bullets at him, the same way they use them for crowd control. That or salt bullets, the type that disentegrate upon impact, but hurt like a bastard.

If it was a real gun, he would have been thrown back and the cop would have been in deep **** for really shooting an unarmed person in the back.

Judging by the responses so far I'd say all are in awe of your

*ahem*

Intellectual abilities.

Even the kids on the short bus would shut you down... Good try at deflecting the question though, however you do need to answer it?

WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

rjp

I guess I just missed it here, this video looked like a run of the mill drunk driver who was being non-cooperative with the officer, then the officer can't place him under arrest, which leads to the officer using non-leathal force (tazer). This situation is not unusual or that out of the ordinary in many larger police forces. Some forces have stopped using the other favorite non-leathal, pepper spray, for roadside uncooperative suspects because they have a tendancy to stay on their feet and stumble around (which can lead to a bad case of getting run over by oncoming cars). The suspect did not follow instructions (I'm sure do to his insobriety) which led to his getting shocked, guess what, as Chris Rock so eliquently put it "that's when you get your ass kicked." Is anyone acually shocked (pardon the pun) about that? What is the alternative, wrestle on the ground with him and risk injury to the officer or worse, risk getting his gun taken and shot with it. I THINK NOT. Was every thing about this stop performed perfectly, no, was the result appropriate, yes.

Red, your right, my idea of how extreme drunks should be handled is that indead, extreme.

Drunk was wrong: Thank you.

Perhaps the cop was inline: Thank you.

Lazy man's way: The cop did try to restrain the suspect (that was the part in the video when they both went out of camera). Adrenaline can be very powerful, size does not always matter. The problem with wressling a suspect (you would know this if you were a cop) is that you have weapons that they might get their hands on. No matter how trained you were at the bar, if you had a knife, billy club, side arm, or tazer, those 3x larger individuals who you alegidly threw out of a bar could grab it and use it against you. But, you didn't have any of those weapons, so it wasn't an issue.

I think the main point thats getting over looked is that either a sober kid playing a video game or an accused drunk who COOPERATES with the officer is NOT going to get his ass tazered. Period, end of story.

I think its funny that the guy, who must be in extreme amounts of pain, is still resisting arrest. Thats the funny part. This guy is soooo waisted he keeps going... regardless of pain. Me, i'd be scared *****less. If the guy didn't do anything wrong, then sure, this would be a sickening situation. BUT THE GUY RESISTED ARREST SEVERAL TIMES, AND THE COP WAS VERY PATIENT up untill the tazering. Thats well over a minute worth of trying to get this guy to cooperate.

Regarless how our society works, drinking and driving is against the law. Red, if it would have taken you 10 minutes to get this same guy out of your bar, its still not the same. When he was in your bar he wasn't doing anything illegal, and once he's outside of your bar, he has not done anything illegal. Its the point that he got behind the wheel of an automobile. He took that chance, nobody else! Just like he took the chance to challage the officer, nobody forced him to make up his mind. The guy was still trying to get up after the 4th tazering... convince me that this guy was going to cooperate and was a sain, non drugged individual. You can hear his plastered tone in the recording.

Honestly, when was the last time you told the officer who pulled you over to "F@ck off". Try it next time, see how far it gets you. Then resist arrest, see how far that gets you.

The cop is useing the sort of taser that is shaped like a fat gun and fires a set of little darts with wires attached into the target (person). then pulling the trigger sends a charge down the wire.
Rubber bullets would make the guy recoil from the pain rather than lockup with a muscle spasim. rubber bullets are also fired by normal guns and would have made a lot of noise.
IMHO a taser like this is one of the better ways for a lone officer to subdue a violent (resisting) person without getting in striking range of the person.
oh, and someone previously said 'why didn't he call for backup?'. he did, you can see the cop talk into his mic on his sholder before the taser came out. backup will take time which is something the cop didn't have.
as far as tasering childeren goes, i don't agree with that but a drunk person can generate a lot of strength and cause a lot of damage when they don't feel the pain.

Where did you bartend at? I'm curious?

EDIT: It's funny how you advertise yourself as being a "Rebublican" but still advocates a liberal agenda

and now you're a "Bartender" who's (seemingly) advocating drunk rights? am I getting this right? You claim to have been a bartender and being such affords you the right to judge how this guy should've been handled?

I remember another thread:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/194610-tipping-tips.html?highlight=TIP

you don't like tipping waiters? Mighty odd view for a bartender don't you think? I'll bet you were about as popular among your coworkers as you are here considering that your line of work is "welfare"

Make no mistake, I smell a rat..

Red,

Put up or shut up. post a link to the vids where people are shot just for being drunk.

For the record, this guy was tazed for resisting, not being drunk. Cops are being trained to avoid contact when they have less than lethal methods (Tazer, pepper spray etc...) available. This cop followed the training.

No knock back... A bullet would have to be moving at many, many, many times the speed of sound to affect a person's body this way, due to the relative difference in mass... What it does do is tear a hole out the opposite side of you as mentioned, which, as the 9mm and .223 are wont to do, is hugely affected by bullet tumble (both being small projectiles fired at a high velocity, relatively). More tumble = messier hole

Any flying through the air is seen mostly in movies or has to do with psycho-somatic reactions.