Get over it

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Congressman Asserts Michael Moore Had Hand in Boxer's Objection to Counting Ohio's Electoral Votes

Below is the floor peech of Rep. Ric Keller (R.-Fla.) regarding Electoral Vote count delivered on January 6, 2005.

There's a wise saying we've used quite a bit in Florida over the past four years that the other side would do well to learn -- GET OVER IT. Isn't it ironic that the only people who refuse to "move on" are the people from MoveOn.org and their hero Michael Moore?

My colleagues across the aisle have two sides to choose from, the John Kerry side that acknowledges the election is over and President Bush has won. Or the Michael Moore side that defines "democracy" as Democrats going to the polls, and "conspiracy" as Republicans going to the polls.

The election is over and the results couldn't be clearer. We know that President Bush won the electoral vote by 286 to 252. We know that President Bush won the popular vote by 3.3 million votes. We know that President Bush won Ohio by more than 118,000 votes, an overwhelmingly comfortable margin. We know that in every area of Ohio, bipartisan county boards have verified and vouched for the integrity of the Ohio election results.

Why are we here wasting time on silly Hollywood inspired conspiracy theories?

Well, since Hollywood likes conspiracy's so much, here's a real one. On June 23, 2004, the Michael Moore movie Fahrenheit 911 premiered in Washington, DC. According to U.S. News & World Report, New York Times, and National Journal, one of the few Senators who attended this premier was Senator Barbara Boxer. In this movie, Mr. Moore said it was shameful that not one U.S. Senator objected to the electoral vote count in Florida. Two days ago, on January 4, 2005, the same Michael Moore published a new letter to Senator Boxer and other Senators reminding them that they didn't object to the electoral vote count four years ago, and requested that they rise and object to the vote count from Ohio today. Today, in fact, Senator Barbara Boxer just objected to the Ohio vote count.

Is this all merely a coincidence? Is this pandering to the Michael Moore wing of the Democratic Party? Is it worth wasting two hours of Congress' time? The only bigger waste of two hours would be to go see Fahrenheit 911.

Do the people in the Michael Moore wing of the Democrat Party really think that the American people and their congressional representatives, are so stupid that they could be tricked into objecting to these electoral results? Well, the answer is "yes."

Michael Moore told a British newspaper "Americans are possibly the dumbest people on the planet...We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don't know about anything that's happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing."

In Germany, Mr. Moore told the German people "You can see us (Americans) coming down the street...We've got that big grin on our face all the time because our brains aren't loaded down." He further asked the German people, "Should such an ignorant people (as Americans) lead the world?...Don't go the American way when it comes to economics, jobs and services...it is the wrong way."

Regarding those who are now killing Americans in Iraq, he said, "The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not insurgents or terrorists or the enemy. They are the revolution, the minutemen and their numbers will grow -- and they will win."

How many normal people in this country really believe that a terrorist like Al - Zarqawi, who chops off the heads of Americans over in Iraq, is on the same level as Paul Revere, the folk hero of the American Revolution?

Here's some straight talk. In 2000, they didn't like the way the votes were counted in Florida. Now, they don't like the way the votes are counted in Ohio. In the blue states, they call it a recount. In the red states, we call it what it is: sour grapes.

Mr. Speaker, President Bush has clearly won the electoral vote and the popular vote. Certifying these electoral votes is the only course for us to follow. Why allow the conspiracy theorists to undermine the public confidence in the electoral system itself? Let us vote down the objection, certify the electoral college results, and prepare to celebrate the happy day of January 20, 2005, when President George W. Bush is once again sworn in as the President of the United States.

[creaturecat]

what are you saying? what percentage of votes should be counted? who decides the percentage? does the percentage change over time? where is the conspiracy?what part of it is theory? BTW you INVADED Iraq, I suppose you would go along willingly with anyone that invaded the USA

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Originally posted by creaturecat
what are you saying? what percentage of votes should be counted? who decides the percentage? does the percentage change over time? where is the conspiracy?what part of it is theory? BTW you INVADED Iraq, I suppose you would go along willingly with anyone that invaded the USA

Of course 100% were counted.

I don't understand your question regarding "conspiracy." There was no conspiracy. Clearly the author was referring to the disparity between the stated view of the liberals regarding the large republican turnout vice the poor suport for democratic nominees when he stated: "Or the Michael Moore side that defines "democracy" as Democrats going to the polls, and "conspiracy" as Republicans going to the polls."

I see no similarity between the revolution in the US and the war in Iraq. After being given 12 years of second chances, Iraq blatantly refused/failed to meet the terms of its agreement with the US after their surrender in the first Gulf War (resulting from their role as agressor nation) and, as thus, caused their own demise. I fail to see any parallel between the founders of this country and those who seek to prevent free elections in Iraq, terrorists who cut the heads off innocent civilians, plant bombs and execute dozens of their own countrymen daily . I cannot imagine how you or Michael Moore think otherwise. Heck, many of your "freedom fighters," like Al - Zarqawi, are not even Iraqi...and as thus...are not only terrorists, but invaders themselves.

[pwd72s]

I wonder why Barbara Boxer isn't concerned about the Washington State Governor's race? Up there, the Democrat won with the aid of (documented) ballots submitted by the dead....

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by pwd72s
I wonder why Barbara Boxer isn't concerned about the Washington State Governor's race? Up there, the Democrat won with the aid of (documented) ballots submitted by the dead....

Probably for the same reasons the republicans aren't concerned with the fraud in Ohio.

These situations indicate the real need for voter reform and both sides really should address the issue. We all really should be bonding together and insist that congress addresses all these concerns it instead of bickering like "well your side did it too so it's ok."

[techweenie]

Originally posted by pwd72s
I wonder why Barbara Boxer isn't concerned about the Washington State Governor's race? Up there, the Democrat won with the aid of (documented) ballots submitted by the dead....

Oh, please. What does a California Senator have to do with Washington state? Do you think it's less urgent to her because the Governor of Washington can't squander 1300 American lives and $400 billion on 'nation building?'

Washington's state supreme court has confirmed the results of the election. Is any *unbiased source* reporting this "fraud?" All I can find is rabid right-wing publications whining about it.

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Ok an example....you have a canidate that has a 118,000 vote margin over the next canidate...and you have let say 50,000 votes left to count do you really need to count all those votes or has the outcome of the election allready been decided?

Voter Reform????? Somehow we think that in the past that American elections all are on the square...wrong...there has never been an election that have been perfectly on the square...JFK in 1960 won in CHICAGO/ Illonois....because dead people voted early and often...and thus he won the Presidency.....Both Political parties have ALWAYS known that there would be abuse here and there, that every vote wasn't being counted....they tried to keep it clean..but ***** happens...THE FIRST TIME THE ELECTION PROCESS WAS EVER CALLED INTO QUESTION WAS IN THE 2000 ELECTION....until then both political parties basically trusted each other...NOW THAT TRUST HAS BEEN BROKEN....each side accusing the other of voter fraud....stop and think a moment here...don't you think that this air of distrust has a negative effect on the Political process in that it cause grievious divisivness? NOw it just maybe be my negative attiude here but if this divisivness continues I fear for the American Repblic...

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Originally posted by techweenie
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Washington's state supreme court has confirmed the results of the election. Is any *unbiased source* reporting this "fraud?" All I can find is rabid right-wing publications whining about it.

And the Ohio results were not confirmed?

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by techweenie
Oh, please. What does a California Senator have to do with Washington state? Do you think it's less urgent to her because the Governor of Washington can't squander 1300 American lives and $400 billion on 'nation building?'

Washington's state supreme court has confirmed the results of the election. Is any *unbiased source* reporting this "fraud?" All I can find is rabid right-wing publications whining about it.

And just exactly what does a California Senator have to do with Ohio State???? We may be talking the presidential election in one case, and a Governorship in the other, but it's still state election officialdom in both cases. Boxer should keep her nose out of it.