How not to be poor

[speeder]

Originally posted by bryanthompson
I like my propaganda straight-up, Thank you, not disguised as journalism like the right does it.

that'd be funny if it weren't so dillusional. You're saying that ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/CNN don't disguise their propaganda as news?

No, that's not what "I'm saying". Or said. Learn to spell and read before responding next time.

[RallyJon]

House negros are as old as the hills.

House negro = black person who's not a liberal democrat? That's kind of a narrow outlook, isn't it?

[speeder]

Originally posted by RallyJon
House negro = black person who's not a liberal democrat? That's kind of a narrow outlook, isn't it?

No, that's incorrect. Another one that needs to stay after school I guess.

BTW, when I don't respond for the next 12 hours, it doesn't mean that you "got me", meatheads. It means that I have to go work for my gasoline money and won't be near a computer. Have at it!

[RallyJon]

Hmm, I get detention for pointing out your BS. You must be one of those tenured teachers.

Edit: I apologize for rising to the bait, but you really shouldn't use borderline-racist terms like that. It gains nothing when critics resort to name-calling and labeling. If the author is right, he's right no matter how you try to pigeonhole him.

[Tim Hancock]

RallyJon, your killing me! I can't wait to hear the response!

[onewhippedpuppy]

Why is it that all of our arrogantly liberal OT people are from California? The east coast liberals on here seem much more reasonable. Does the lack of bad weather to complain about bring on a need to find something else to be bitter about? Hell, move to Kansas, you'll find plenty of new stuff to be pissed about, like the severe weather outbreak they're predicting for today.

A while back I read a great article by a black sociologist, the point being the indoctrination of black Americans into a welfare society. His point was that by giving giving money, food, etc to blacks, and other Americans as well, that it was actually doing more harm than leaving them to fend for themselves. That a total lack of personal responsibility also leads to more crime, children out of wedlock, and a general lack of motivation to do anything in life. Pretty much everything that is wrong with our inner cities. Very convincing, for those that need convincing, I wish I could remember the particulars as far as the author goes.

During my time working in a mobile home park, I saw many people on disability, welfare, or some combination of various government funded laziness. My favorite was the lady with the "bad back" that worked around the park for cash, doing home repairs and painting. I once saw her move a deck by crawling under it and bowing her back upwards to lift it off of the ground, then crawling with it on her back. Another example, the guy with the "bad back" (see a trend?) that drag raced on the weekend, he also enjoyed water skiing. My father, the one that has had two back surgeries and still works 40hrs a week, had to sell their boat immediately after his injury, he couldn't even stand to ride in it due to the bouncing over the waves.

Basically what it comes down to is, why should I support you? You screwed somebody, weren't smart enough to use protection, and now don't want to work, like thousands of single mothers do. I DON'T CARE. Call me callous, but it's not my mess, I have my own problems, I deal with them. I think government aid is justified in cases such as Steve and his son, who has a physical handicap, and I commend him for taking responsibility, and teaching his son to do the same. It's funny, everyone that I have ever met that has been injured enough that they have been OFFERED disability has turned it down, because they're too proud to take a handout, but they have court hearings in Topeka where people try to convince a judge why they should be given a handout.

[turbo6bar]

As long as immigrants, illegal or not, can make a better life for themselves, I have little sympathy for those unwilling to achieve.

[Jims5543]

Originally posted by Evans, Marv
Matt:
Your first reply was right on. I worked with the welfare population for about 7 years, and it made me mad and sick. Very seldom does it seem to help and most of the time it wastes our tax dollars & creates dependency.
I can give you an example I will always remember: A lady had 10 kids, from various fathers. Collected AFTC for the 10 kids $30K +/yr.), plus welfare for herself. Tax payers paid for medicare, subsidized rent, food stamps, etc. etc. As the kids turned 18, she lost the monthly income from them. When her last kid turned 18, she was in her 50's, had a 4th grade reading level, no job skills or training, never worked (no pay into S.S.) so no work experience, and was only going to get cash aid & benefits for herself. Later welfare reform limited benefits to a total of 5 years, so when she used that up, she would have nothing in her early 60's. Of course I'm sure one of her kids would take her in.

Spot on!!

My sis-in-law had to go for temporary aid after a really messy divorce. She already worked one job in bookeeping at the local power plant and it payed decent but with 2 kids she felt she needed and was entitled to tap into the system for a short while as she got on her feet.

She was dicked aound so much trying to qualify for aid. She finally got it and then was discusted to see the people that "play the welfare game" when she would have to go into the office. They are driving new Mercedes Benzes, BMW's and Lexus (this was quite a while ago I am sure its Escalades with 24's now) they prance their little litter of kids into the office to get their money. She was off the aid in 6 months once she adjusted to being a single mom. Now a few years later is moving into a new home with her 2nd husband who is a great guy.

When we had our second child a 2 years ago I had to pay for it out of my pocket. 14K to have a kid. I could not / can not find health insurance to cover pregnancy. At the same time my receptionist got drunk at a kegger gave out blow jobs to who ever wanted them and got knocked up from some guy she didn't know. The state paid for her childbirth.

I suggested to my wife we divorce I make it appear I have moved out and we ge tthe state to pay for it. She wouldnt go for it.

I worked with a guy in West Palm Beach who had 5 kids with 5 women. The last one had an intestinal problem and was in and out of surgery for his first 5 months. All on the tax payers tab. He seemd to take pride and spreading his seman around town and having 5 boys. He was overhead saying he wanted 10 kids. Why the hell not he wasn't paying for them. He was a baby machine on the states dime.

Yup, rewarding the idiots is our specialty.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally posted by turbo6bar
As long as immigrants, illegal or not, can make a better life for themselves, I have little sympathy for those unwilling to achieve.

I totally agree. Despite what your views are on illegal aliens, we have a pretty big Mexican population here in Kansas, and they are the hardest working people I have ever came into contact with. This is typically for lower pay (cash for the illegals), and it's the worst jobs, but they do it with a smile.

[928ram]

but to say that racism is dead in America is total BS as well. That's just some feel-good slop-oil massage for red state dittoheads. The guy that said it was Black? Yeah? So what. House negros are as old as the hills. You think that George Bush invented them?

Yeah racism is alive and well; living at PP OT

That has to be one of the most obscenely offensive things I've ever read on this BBS, and saying "just kidding" with the smiley after doesn't make it any less so.

[CRH911S]

I can't believe some are falling for the table scraps. The heart of the problem is HUD which is nothing but a welfare program for the wealthy.

As far as Steve and his son are concerned, I agree, we owe it to help those that help themselves.

[wludavid]

It's very easy to say, "unwed mothers who sit at home waiting for welfare checks are the problem" because it's true. I don't think anyone can really argue that they're not a drain on society. More to the point, it's a self-feeding loop because the children grow up not knowing how to pull themselves out. Do you think they read the papers (even the liberal media that sympathizes so much)? Of course not.

It's much harder to talk about solutions. "Take personal responsibility" as advice is about on par with the "find another planet" if we just learned that an asteroid was heading toward this one. We (and they) just don't know how to do it.

How about this then: we require that real sex ed be taught in schools - condoms, birth control, the works. Not of this 'abstinence-only' BS. Oh wait, who's holding that up? It's not that party that sits on the left of the aisle. How about requiring depo-provera or some other foolproof birth control device for all girls receiving welfare benefits starting when the turn 10 until they turn 18. Don't think that one would get past the theocrats in office either. I wouldn't mind BC used for certain women over 18 either, but I don't think anyone in power would like this one.

Poverty is a big problem. And it's not news that it affects black people more than white people. But we need to talk about solutions, not just about who's causing the problems if we actually want to fix things.

[Burnin' oil]

Interesting, wludavid. You think the welfare problem is the result of poor sex ed? and you think the solution is forced birth control? I don't think that "theocrats" are the only ones that would question your strategy.

[kach22i]

Sell it and they will buy?

[RallyJon]

Sex ed is one thing, but how about some high school courses from the newly formed "How to function as an adult in the real world" department?

My wife used to be a consultant and every once in a while they'd bring in a presenter who would talk to them about how to dress professionally, not to wear too much jewelry, etc. Nobody teaches this stuff to the underclass--and they need it the most!

95% of people will use basic accounting skills over their lifetime. 5% will use calculus. Which one do they teach in high school?

How about proposal writing? Or business writing in general? Apparently it's more important to learn to write poetry than to write a sales proposal, a business plan or a coherent job application.

[wludavid]

RallyJon, you're nailing the "training vs education" argument quite nicely. Having paid way too much for a liberal arts education, you'll probably guess which side I come down on.

It would be interesting to see those courses offered in conjunction with poetry and calculus, though.

[creaturecat]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Uhhhhhh, Walter E. Williams is Black...

{need a shaking-head-in-disbelief-of-ignorance smiley}

so ....this means there is no such thing as racism anymore.....please elaborate

[Superman]

Let's give Mr. Williams a chance to stand in front of a million black men and read that article loudly.

[onewhippedpuppy]

I have always heard that many of the high school curriculums overseas are more trade oriented, they prepare you for life, as compared with the US system that somewhat prepares you for college. To be quite frank, though some of the electives that I have taken in college are interesting, they will in no way contribute to my future career as an engineer. I would love to see a better focus on career preperation, having the option in high school to better tailor your classes in the direction that you want to go in life. If you don't know what to do, then the current scatter-brained curriculum makes more sense.

It's a nice thought that handing out condoms at the door in high school will solve all our problems, but I just don't see it. I do believe that strong sex ed is a must, but there's always that fine line between simply educating, and saying here's a condom, just don't get pregnant. If everybody had strong morals (I include myself with everybody), and didn't have sex until marriage, we wouldn't have the problem with the welfare babies. As for that, if women didn't get more money when they have more welfare babies, there would no longer be motivation, other than purely sexual. Not saying it would end it, but even a reduction would be a plus.

Another thought, if we are going to throw away all this money, how about using some of it to promote adoption? It's a win win, the lazy person gets some sort of incentive to turn over her child, while the child gets a loving home, and a future. There would have to be limits though, otherwise welfare women would just become baby machines. I often wonder why more parents don't turn their babies over to adoption when they don't want them. That's the worst part about all of this, the kids get screwed. It's not fault that their parent/ parents are a drain on society, and essentially a waste of oxygen. A 9 month old was just hospitalized here in town for swallowing some of his parent's meth, it's so sad that anyone can have kids.....

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally posted by Superman
Let's give Mr. Williams a chance to stand in front of a million black men and read that article loudly.

If they were black men with jobs, he'd get a standing ovation. Otherwise, someone would probably shoot him.