i suppose this is not W's doing either?

[juanbenae]

W's plan for the economy is really starting to take root eh? oh but thats right, the president, or his policy does not influence the stock market..

at least when it sucks i would imagine?

http://finance.yahoo.com/

[widebody911]

I think it's kinda cute - in a 'licking the cake mixer while it's still running' sort of way - that inflation is 'benign' when they don't factor in energy. I guess it's fairy dust they're using to power factories and get stuff to market.

Remember, the boom during the Clinton years was due to Reagan's policies. The bust during the King George II years was due to Clinton's policies.

[juanbenae]

[einreb]

I'm Not sure what this has to do with your post, but I'm always amazed at the Dow when you look at it from '65 to '80...

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EDJI&t=my

[kach22i]

Originally posted by einreb
I'm Not sure what this has to do with your post, but I'm always amazed at the Dow when you look at it from '65 to '80...

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EDJI&t=my

Looks pretty level to me - looks different than the wall poster my financial guy has on his wall.

The drag of the Vietnam war on the economy perhaps?

Cold war spending draining things?

Energy crisis (both of them) seemed to have no effect, why?

Nixon's inflation, perhaps making real growth look stagnant?

Looking at it again, Basic Chart of the Dow Jones Industrial...................bet the other charts/markets are more upwardly moblie by comparison. This would tell us a lot, the comparison that is.

[RallyJon]

Looks pretty level to me - looks different than the wall poster my financial guy has on his wall.

Maybe your financial advisor has a linear Y axis.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by RallyJon
Maybe your financial advisor has a linear Y axis.

His chart has the other market index indicators side by side in different colors. They don't all do the same thing at the same time, but manage to somehow over time, end up higher than they started.

I'd like to see land and other types of investments put on the same chart. Tax codes should be overlaid to create a level playing field analysis.

[cowtown]

Originally posted by kach22i
Tax codes should be overlaid to create a level playing field analysis.

Wow.

[Tishabet]

Originally posted by cowtown
Wow.

Christ!

[techweenie]

I suppose Yahoo defaults to a log scale so as to look "apolitical"

For the folks who don't know, we haven't yet seen the DOW stick past where it sat on W's first inauguration -- I seem to recall it was around 10,800.



That's why my signature references not being out of recession.

[RallyJon]

Will the recession end when all the technology consultants get their jobs back at 2000 pay levels?

Or when all the steelworkers get their jobs back?

It's going to be a long wait...

[cowtown]

Well now that Yahoo's been outed as a political tool, with insidious right-leaning charts and graphs, I can ask the burning question:

W is the pro-business, big-oil, Fortune 500 cowboy sellout, is he not? WHY, with his crush-the little-guy, pro-corporate policies, has the market not exploded?

Maybe, just maybe, presidential economic policies take a back seat to global economics, the Fed, short-term fluctuations, and innovation.

Nah, it must be W's fault. He's out to help those nasty companies AND depress the stock market at the same time, and should be blamed accordingly.

[widebody911]

Originally posted by cowtown
W is the pro-business, big-oil, Fortune 500 cowboy sellout, is he not? WHY, with his crush-the little-guy, pro-corporate policies, has the market not exploded?

Hmm. Look at oil company profits (see a previous thread I started on the subject), as well as those of Halliburton, Bechtel, Brown & Root, etc. for 'positive' Bush influence.

[juanbenae]

Originally posted by cowtown

Maybe, just maybe, presidential economic policies take a back seat to global economics, the Fed, short-term fluctuations, and innovation.

global? like he's not had a hand if ******** that up as well?

my point was just a few months ago i posted a thread asking what our guy's plan was for the economy and if his influence was a contributing factor to the market's woes. i was told he had very little influence and for the sake of argument i bought in. i thought that the market going 10K/2K+ yesterday might have been due to his influence. just checking to see how consitent the game was gunna be played.

a bleeding heart liberal for mccain in 08

[cowtown]

Originally posted by k911sc
a bleeding heart liberal for mccain in 08

I really hope he runs. One of the few politicos who appeals to many on both sides right now.

[juanbenae]

there, something we can all agree on.

not to go off topic, but have any of you seen the tv adds for a tv movie about his stay in the POW camp during the VN war? i hope its not too over done or cheesy. i really admire the hell out of that guy.

[350HP930]

Originally posted by cowtown
W is the pro-business, big-oil, Fortune 500 cowboy sellout, is he not? WHY, with his crush-the little-guy, pro-corporate policies, has the market not exploded?

Its not all about growth. When times are hard the averages may stagnate but there is money to be made by consolidating and rigging the markets.

Look at how halliburton gobbles up money that used to pass out to individual contractors directly from the military.

Look at how wal mart gobbles up business that used to belong to local retailers.

Look at how energy companies jack up rates on existing customers.

Look at how companies like enron rigged a fake energy crisis in california.

Duh-bya has been great to his cronies but the little guy and the competition to those favored corporations are the losers.

The average result is a wash but the devil is in the details.

Until the population and commercial development stops growing the total market will always grow along with it. One just has to learn that bubbles and upward movement are not the same thing as a healthy economy.

[MichiganMat]

ya know, I realized something recently...

W is a douche in my book, but I can forgive him for that. He's just one crazy dude with a whole bunch of choices to make, most of them I disagree with, but whatever... There are crazy people everywhere, I don't take issue with each of them individually. He's a douche, I can deal with that.

Its the Congress that _really_ bugs me. Sure, W can cook up some crazy stupid ideas (IMO), but when a whole group of people decide to make rediculous choices its a whole other thing for me. W sets the policy but the clowns in Congress are the ones who collectively decide to follow it. And with Dobson playing puppet-master to Frist&Co...

Ah, forget it.