As a "trained proffesional":rolleyes: .... I would have toyed with her.:cool:

Me too. "Ma'am, put down the phone." "Kiss my arse!!" Zap. "Ma'am, please show me you driver's license and registration." "**** you!!!" Zap. "Ma'am, please get out of the car." (Sniveling) "That hurts; knock it off, shyte head!!!!" Zap. "Ma'am, quit shaking uncontrollably." No response. Zap. "Ma'am, place your hands on the dashboard." Shaking and drooling, but no response. Zap. What fun; how long does it take to recharge one of those? Would it look bad if he eventually had to run jumper cables under her hood?

Funny, I've never been asked to get out of the car for a speeding violation. Initially I too felt it was too much, too fast but then again if she listened she would've avoided the whole incident.

LMAO :D

now what's this about "running jumper cables under her hood?" (ya kinky bastard)

The hood of the CAR, island, the car... geez, and I thought I had a one-track mind... ;)

The easy thing is to tazer her. This is a woman. Not harming herself or anyone else. Give me a break... We as a society have respect for the law (generally), but this is a fragile thing..

What would I have done? Shot her most likely. But then, I am not a cop, do not have the patience and personality to be one.

What would a well trained department do? Call for more back-up. Wait her out. Grab her phone, go through her last dozen calls and find someone to calm her down. Talk her down, whatever. The great job that most of them do every day...

You know who complains the most about over-zealous cops?? Their fellow officers. I have plenty of close friends and family that are police officers - just get them started and they all have a million stories..

Watch it again and count how long she is unco-operative for... must be a whole 25 seconds. She gets tazed within 15 secs of the first warning.

Seriously, this feels like the Iraq discussion all over again. I really don't feel those cops exhausted all of their peaceful options before resorting to the tazer.

What if she put the car in gear and ran the officer over??? This already happened in FL, before tasers.

Hazard of the job - probably why he stood to one side, and he could potentially be justified in tazing her if she reached for the gearstick.

She had a cellphone in one hand and (quite possibly) a cigarette in another. WTF was she gonna do?

I put my hand on one of those battery operated fly swatters that send a curent to fry the fly - DANG! That thing freaking hurt! Choice between a Tazer and a club? Well, I've caught a bat in the sack, knee, elbow, nose and chin - that freaking fly swatter did things to my nervous system that I can't even imagine what a Tazer would do.

I'd take the clubbing...

I've seen Jackass - the pepper spray was the worst (the immortal "my eyes have gonorrhea" quote... and how would one know that?).

Yeah; and what if, she said:

"You have a tazer ...I have a cellphone....

"Are you open to trades?

huh? . . then what!?

:cool:

or what if she said:
"You have a Tazer and I have something that will daze you! Open for some negotiation? " And then she lifted her skirt and showed her....


Ut Oh, don't want to get banned...

I think the Police treated the ***** fairly. Seems that these days, there is no concept of authority, no respect. I know there are some weird Officers out there that are impressed with themselves, but not in this case. She was warned, and asked politely by the Officer. What is there about authority that some folks just don't understand ? A simple "Yes sir" or "No Sir" would have been the proper reply, avoiding the Tasing, I think she got what she deserved. Doug

So - the basic consensus is that we as citizens are not entitled to question an officer of the law when we get pulled over?

If we tell him to f-off we get what we deserve? I'm not condoning that behavior but I have confronted officers in the past when pulled over.

I was pulled over once for speeding; He said I was doing 75 in a 55 when in fact my speedo said 55 and the cruise control was set. Now - granted it could have been wrong but 20mph is a big difference. So - I told him point blank - there is no way I was doing 75. Number one - I live around here and I know you guys patrol the heck out of this road so as a habit if there is no traffic I set my cruise control at 55 every single time I'm on this road and I did it this time as well. So you better have some seriously good evidence to show that I was doing 75 because if you give me this ticket I'm fighting the hell out of it. The cop asked me if I had been drinking next; of course I had not and answered as such. And of course this whole time I'm doing the right things - my dome light is on and my hands are on the steering wheel and not leaving it without checking with him first. At the same time though I was arguing the heck out of it with him. In the end he asked me to slow down and didn't write me up for anything.

I had a similar incident happen in a similar way a few years earlier when I Was a little younger and hotter headed but it went down the same way. I told him point blank that he was mistaken and I would appreciate it if he would allow me back on my way.

Just because you're pulled over doesn't mean you're guilty. Repect the cops but at the same time cops need to respect citizens because in the beginning and in the end that is who they are here to protect and serve.

this woman made a lot of mistakes - more even than the cop but a tazer is force that is likely not required to subdue her. If I were in that cop's position (yet I have no training to make this call) I would have called for backup. There are many many other options. He could have simply let her go - he's got all of her information at that point - let her go. Then get a warrant for her arrest and go get her with more than just one cop. Here in LA they have stopped chasing cars to prevent high speed chases because they are too dangerous to the public. The cops have simply choosen the battles they are willing to fight; the ones that have the value of being worth fighting. I don't know that this one was worth the tazer but I do feel that the tazer is a bit of an unknown as far as how much damage it can do to a person. We have tests on groups but how a single person is effected is an unknown - one person may be hurt more than another based on their own mind or their own physiology so while I don't totally agree with Moses I will defer to him based on his experience.

You can play the 'what if' game endlessly. What if she'd had a WMD?

I dont' see anything particularly troubling in the video. For one thing, we don't know what happened before the video: was there a chase? That might explain the aggressive start. How many of us have been pulled over and immediately asked to exit the vehicle?

The cop seemed primed, but so was the driver.

What I was mostly thinking watching the vid was that the person on the other end of the cell conversation mustve been soiling his/her undies. Without the benefit of seeing what's going on, it sounds like an unprovoked shooting.

In full agreement! It was absolutely unnecessary - he should have just yanked out and pinned her on the floor.

Look, if a cop tells you to stop, you LISTEN. He's the one with the badge, the gun and the tazer

Stupid woman got what she deserved if she ran from the cops. If the cop was in the wrong, you file a lawsuit and provide evidence.

My dad told me that back in the day if that woman was stupid and disrespectful, she would have been dragged out of the car, cuffed and given a ride to the city lockup. If the cop is really annoyed, the woman gets booked for resisting arrest, interfering with the lawful duties of a police officer and a few other things. Arraignment on felony charges will not occur until the next day, at which time all felony charges are dropped. Result; Stupid woman spends a day in lockup. Cop is not accused of brutality. No lawsuit payday for stupid woman.

The Tazer turns the stupid woman into a victim and the cop into a brute. Bad idea.

I suppose someone can debate all day long about when a cop should use a weapon, but the bottom line is that this woman brought this on herself with her actions.

Plain and simple, if she would have cooperated she would not have been tazed.
Instead SHE chose to not cooperate. People who believe in taking responsibility for their own actions will no doubt see this clearly.

Someone stated what if it was your wife or daughter? Well, my wife and daughters would never even think of lipping off to and disobeying a police officer. If they did, they would get no pity from me.

This thread reminds me of that "poor" teenager that lipped off to, then took a swing at his bus driver.

I guess she's just lucky he didn't grab his .45 by "accident" and shoot her like that other well trained stupid fu***** a$$**** did. Bet that was a laugh riot back at the station (club house).

Jeez, now it's even women and kids. Can't wait to hear the justification for tazing a quadriplegic.

But oh yea, we really have to worry about their "moral". Hell, I bet that was a real moral booster for them.

And then it's typical cop BS. "You shouldn't have taken a swing"! RIGHT, sitting in the car on the phone. Must have been a VERY powerful woman. I dunno, I think if I was black I'd sure as hell get on the phone if I got pulled over. Ya never know...they might be sodomites armed with broom sticks!!

I don't particularly see the tazer as such an inhumane thing.... After all, what other tools do the cops have in their arsenal that can stop a criminal in their tracks but are also willing to use on themselves as proof that it isn't dangerous.

We just recently had a news conference in which the cops used the tazer on each other, and it aired on the news, just to dispel the myths behind the tazer.

I don't see the cops shooting at each other with their guns, or bludgeoning each other with their stun sticks to prove the safety factor in those devices.

I find the tazer to even be more humane than pepper spray. I've been zapped a few times, and could hardly remember how that feels. But I damn sure remember what soap in the eyes feels like, and I'm sure that doesn't even compare to pepper spray.

anyone watch the video with commentary? FYI that video on the front page is the third and the other two show the vehicle passing th unmarked mustang and the dialogue prior to the officer running the license. the third video picks up after the license came suspended and the officer intended to arresting her. She wasn't pulled over and immediately asked to exit the vehicle as was noted somewhere above. IMO i think he was very patient with her, although i would have dragged her out and cuffed her before using the tazer.........

Uhmmmm.... I just got home to be able to watch the video......did no one notice that there appears to be two, count them, 2 officers there? Now why would the not be able to handle this without the Taser?

Someone else already pointed this out but my biggest problem with police is that they seem to have forgotten who they work for. They demand respect for their position which is understandable but the have NONE for the people they pull over. I have had an officer cuss at me before....over doing donuts in a empty dirt lot....

The big problem is, try to prove that an officer has done wrong. It is next to impossible to hold them accountable for their actions. You will always be presented as a criminal trying to escape what you deserve. Not saying that is the case here....just in general.

i wasn't there, but at the risk of monday morning quarterbacking, the cop seemed pretty quick to escalate. 15 seconds from walking up to pulling her out, 30 seconds to tazing her. And it seems like she was talking on the phone telling whoever she was being arrested. Unless she was obviously armed and dangerous, couldn't they have taken a bit more time before tazing?

I'm not saying cops don't have an incredibly difficult job, and that this woman wasn't a piece of work. But it seems a bit quick to jump...

This could all simply be a case of not knowing all the facts. Who knows what the green screen in the cop car said when he ran the tags... Could of had a line in there 'considered armed and dangerous', or possibly even a background history of violence.

Or..... Maybe the cop dropped his doughnut, and bumped his head on the steering wheel while reaching for it, this could of put him in a bad mood.

Are those against the use of the taser with the woman against the war started in Iraq?

In both instances, we have individuals who don't submit, and in both instances we have a show of excessive force. Weird thing is I'm in favor of the taser on the gal, while I believe Saddam was railroaded by bullies in the US. Go figure.
jurgen

15 second wait before the taze

vs

10 years wait for Saddam (and SOMEONE who doesn't like US was funding bin-boy .. . hmmmm)

Saddam has thumbed his nose about nonexistent WMD for 10 years. OK. Since the evidence seems so light, Saddam knows at worst, he might get shot with a taser gun, but only if he doesn't put down the cell phone.

all good points.

but a three week rookie of elpaso PD was shot and killed because he hesitated and missed with his tazer. domestic violence call, where the guy wouldnt cooperate. badguy got to a gun and shot the kid in that big artery in the leg. he bled to death. badguy then realized what he did, dropped gun and gave up to the partner. sounded like an eff up, on someones part, but i kept my opinion to myself.

i couldnt be a cop. i would tazer everyone. way to trigger happy/scared of death.

There was a pilot taser program here in Chicago. Two times within a week, one man died, one 17 year old kid was in the hospital for a week (this was a few months now, not sure what happened to the 17 year old).

Chicago suspended the program after the death (the second event).

Sidenote, both were victims of mental illness. Can't remember the incident of the man now, but the 17 year old kid was running around and hollering up and down the halls of an apartment building.

That's far more threatening than the woman who won't get off her cell phone. Maybe they should have shot the 17 year old. :rolleyes:

A man died recently here in Toledo, Ohio a short time ago. He was lit up about five times, with the last few times happening in the local lock-up as he would not co-operate and continued resisting arrest even once he was in the jail building. I do not recall what he did to get arrested in the first place, but he had a long record. I think the local police chief and mayor suspended tazing for now.

This guy was later found to have a heart condition and/or drugs in his system (imagine that!). Even after all this, I feel the criminal brought all this on himself because had he used an ounce of brains this accidental death would not have happened. When a crackhead comes swinging now, I guess the cops will have to shoot him instead.

BTW: It was not 15/30 seconds between the officer's first approach and the taser shot -- it was more like 4 minutes! Some of you folks should view the rest of the videos listed. You will see that far more time transpires between when the officer first approaches the woman for the traffic stop, (7:51:43) and when the taser is fired. (7:55:31). That's almost 4 minutes, not 15 seconds. And in those 4 mintues, the woman was certainly not cooperative. He called for backup, got her license and registration, explained why she was pulled over, and went back to his squad car. All this happened prior to the arrest video.

All I hear from one side of the argument is what the cop should NOT have done. Well, here's what the women should NOT HAVE DONE:

1. First and foremost, she should NOT HAVE been driving around with a suspended license. We don't know the story of why her license got suspended, but usually it is because of failure to obey the traffic laws MULTIPLE TIMES. The fact that she was telling someone on the cell phone that the police were going to arrest her kinda indicates that she knew something SHE did was wrong.

2. Secondly, she was speeding (51 in a 35) and had an inoperable brake light, had a cracked windshield, and wasn't wearing her seatbelt. (Check out the rest of the videos for these details) Ok, maybe you can excuse the brakelight, and possibly the windshield, but she should not have been speeding, and she should not have been driving without her seatbelt on. Most likely, the officer would not have bothered with the car if the only problem was the brakelight. (But that's stipulation)

3. She should NOT have opened the door once she pulled over. Was she planning on escaping? Was she going to pull a gun on the officer? That probably made the policeman suspicous of the woman. When you get pulled over, you sit in your car, door closed, hands on steering wheel, interior light on if it is dark outside and wait for the officer to tell you what to do.

4. She should NOT have kept the door open after the officer asked her TWICE to close it. She finally closes it after his third request. (One thing she actually did right.) But, she should NOT have argued with the officer about having to close the door.

5. She should not have argued about the officer not being allowed to use radar when he is driving.

6. She should not have accused the officer of being a racist.

7. She should not have sworn at the officer.

8. She should not have continued to badger the officer after he stated what she was pulled over for.

9. She should not have continued smoking and talking on the cell phone when the officer approached her the second time.

10. She should not have ignored the officer's warnings that she will be tased. The officer told her FOUR Times to get out of the car, and told her Three times that she will be tased. She should NOT have ignored those warnings.

11. Once tased, she should not have continued to not listen to the officer's requests. She should not have said she couldn't put her hands behind her back. (As she was being led away, it was obvious that she could)

12. She should not have still been hostile towards the officers after she was handcuffed.

13. She should not have denied that she struck an officer.

The short clip only shows the 'dramatic brutality' the cops use when arresting someone. It does not show the rest of the story. Did the officer use more force than necessary? I don't know what other options he had. HOWEVER, the fact is that the woman was given fair warning: she was told FOUR times to get out of the car, and she was warned THREE times that if she doesn't get out of the car, she will be tased. Had she complied, she would not have been tased, plain and simple.

-Z.

PS: I wonder how a taser effects a pace-maker or an ICD (Internal difibulator)

Look, I have no problem with police using force, even deadly force when threatened. Take a swing at a cop, get shot. I'm OK with that. Unless I missed something, that lady was not behaving in a remotely threatening manner. She was annoying and rude and stupid.

At the time the officer fired the Tazer, it was abundantly clear that the woman represented no physical threat. What you saw was lazy policework. Makes the officer and the department look bad. What's next? Issue cattle prods to the local constabulary? Bzzzzzzzt! Nice.

There is a fine line between being annoying, rude and stupid, and being irrational and dangerous.

. . . and supposedly the cops are trained to know the difference.

I didn't watch the video, but I get the jist. If this woman absolutely refuses to cooperate, what do you suggest the officer do? Drive away? I mean the video of him dragging a middleaged woman out of the car would look aweful bad too, yes? So what should he do?

How do you propose they handle it in the future? If they attempt to physically rip her out of the car they'll likely hurt her pretty badly. Or would pepper spray be a better option?

I have an issue with them zapping her (more tan once) after she was on the ground. If they wanted her to put her hands behind her back then kneel down and do it manually. That was excessive and lazy, IMO.

Again, if just would've listened.

jinx:)