Cops Using Tasers - This Time It's A Woman...

[Dan Mc Intyre]

Originally posted by RickM
"Schools restrict use of Tasers"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20...rictuseoftasers

..."In Miami-Dade County, Fla., schools Superintendent Rudy Crew was inundated with complaints from parents in October after a police officer used a stun gun on a 6-year-old student."........

Originally posted by Racerbvd
If parents would teach their kids to show respect, and behave, there would be no issue here. This was a big issue here, the parents who had kids who behave in school aren't against teaser's being in schools, it is the ones whose kids are the trouble makers and don't/can't control them are the ones against it. At one local town hall meet a grandmother (always seems to be the ones raising these kids) talking about how her baby looked so helpless when he was tased while resisting arrest in a drug bust.

You gotta be kidding. You really advocate tazing a 6 year old? Man, that's tough love Racerbvd. I bet you give new meaning to corporal punishment!

[rcecale]

Originally posted by RickM
"Schools restrict use of Tasers"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050603/ts_usatoday/schoolsrestrictuseoftasers

..."In Miami-Dade County, Fla., schools Superintendent Rudy Crew was inundated with complaints from parents in October after a police officer used a stun gun on a 6-year-old student."........

Just trying to imagine what 50,000 volts through a 6 year old would look like. I keep getting this mental image of trying to fly a kite in a hurricane.

My first impression would be to agree that the incident with the 6 year old was indeed excessive. It would have to be some pretty extenuating circumstances....can't really think of any off hand.

Randy

[DavidI]

I have watched the video and read all of the replies. As a 16+ year cop, some of the replies that I have read are stunning! During training, all of us get tazed and pepper sprayed so we know how it feels. Getting tazed is no fun, but the pain goes away immediately once the volts are stopped. She was clearly exaggerating.

As far as tazing her, my Department would not have allowed us to use it in this scenario, nor would I as a supervisor. We would have used pepper spray. The extreme discomfort from pepper spray lasts 30-45 minutes. To tell you the truth, I would rather be tazed.

Police work is very different from what the average Joe thinks it is. We make very quick decisions that get judged with the luxury of time. Our very own celebrity Jack Olson went on a ride along with me in South Central LA not too long ago and we had a great time. He said he is going to write something up about the experience in the near future for the BBS.

In this great country of America, we are allowed the Freedom of Speech. In a forum like this, I think the diversity is an example of this.

David

[M.D. Holloway]

What would of the harm have been if he waited another 3 minutes? She was trying to dis him - wait the beoytch out then get her outta the car, slap some cuffs on her and let her spend a night in the pookie with some bulldyke. Like the cop really had anything better to do...now he is looking at a really bad time and she comes out smelling like lylacs.

I bet she reminded him of his ex - I would have done the same thing but 45 seconds sooner if that was the case!

[Scott '96 993c2]

That was one of the funniest damn things I've seen in a long while. That woman got exactly what she deserved, needed and asked for. The officer gave her multiple warnings and she just flat out refused to comply. Oh yah - and what an actress. Maybe being tazed will realign her brain and teach her to shut her pie hole next time she gets pulled over.

Scott

[Dan Mc Intyre]

Ok. So...in these days of pro-active police tactics, all used under the guise of protecting the public, making sure the officer goes home at night, and keeping up PD morale, it seems the public needs protection from those sworn to protect and serve.

There are far too many unarmed citizens slaughtered every year "accidently". You read the stories, cop grabs a .45 instead of a taser, cop "thought" the perp. was armed, gun went off "accidently", etc. If police want to be pro-active and wave guns around for their protection, fine. I really want everybody to go home at night.

But, and it's a big but...I say if a cop kills an innocent, unarmed citizen for any reason, they stand murder charges automatically; and on their own personal dime. An innocent unarmed civilian should never die at the hands of an sworn officer, period. Each year I read of deer hunters charged with a crime after a hunting accident kills a fellow hunter. Shouldn't cops be held as accountable as the hunter that accidently shot his dad in the woods?

Kick down the wrong door and terrorize a family by mistake because cops got the house number wrong , lose your job and become a security guard. In other words, they need to be held accountable for their actions. Each and every time!

Just last week I heard a statistic about the 6xx cops killed on duty over the last X years. Where are the stats on how many unarmed innocent civilians were killed during the same time frame? Those, I'm afraid, the government and police officials aren't in a big rush to compare.

I believe cops lump citizens all into the same catagory...criminals who threaten their personal safety. Ok, but realizing that most citizens pose absolutely zero risk to cops and their most serious offense is a speeding violation, it shouldn't come as a suprise when citizens do the same thing and catagorize all cops in a similar fashion. We often read about abuses of power by those sworn to uphold the law, tazing 6 year olds, child molestation and rape, cops on the take, running drugs, broomstick sodomy, etc. Isn't it fair to make the same assumptions about cops as cops do to us?

That being said, I don't blame people who stand up and question authority, in fact I admire them. If there were more questions, there might be less police corruption and fewer civillian casualties.

[DavidI]

Dan, most cops (I never say ALL) know that 99% of society are good, honest, hard working folk. There is no question about that at all. However, bad guys do not have a certain "look." Despite what you see in movies or TV, bad guys don't look like that convict with all the tattoos. In addition, sometimes good people with families do bad things. For example, a man and woman are married. He comes home from work early and unexpected one day and finds his wife with another man. He snaps and kills both of them. This has happened many, many times. Now the good guy is the bad guy.

David

[Sonic dB]

This woman deserved to be tased. So be it...

Another stupid person who was obviously raised wrong by her dumb parents.....selfishness, lack of respect for authority.. just plain stupid person who got tased.

[Dan Mc Intyre]

David,

I'd like to see a comparison of numbers. Sure, there have been cops killed on duty. But, how does that number compare to the number of needless civillian casualties over the same time period? Why do we never see that tossed about? Seems like I read in a book some years ago that a couple dozen a year get killed in LA alone. Not sure about that figure, tho.

And I do agree with "However, bad guys do not have a certain "look." Despite what you see in movies or TV, bad guys don't look like that convict with all the tattoos." **EDIT** However, this statement does complicate explaining away profiling, though.

But the fact remains that cops treat us all like criminals. While living in Texas and driving to work one morning, I was pulled over for an expired safety inspection sticker. Before he got out of the car, two more arrived on the scene with much fanfare and had me "triangulated" standing about with their hands on unsnapped guns. For God's sake, I was made to fell like the Unibomber over a $10 sticker. BFD. Guess Texas takes a dim view on screwing them out of ten bucks.

Bottom like is ordinary people are subjected to, at best, rude treatment if not public humilliation. I also believe that the backlash will continue against law enforcement across the country. My secretary is 62 and has a real issue with cops because of the way she was treated over a tinted window in a used car she bought from a dealer with the tint already installed.

Further, I still maintain that all sworn officers in any LEA must be held accontable for their actions and mistakes, whether it's the FBI at Ruby Ridge or those local off duty cops that gang beat that guy in Milwaukee not long ago. This stuff happens far too frequently and it needs to be addressed. Unfortunately it isn't.

Until then, if cops feel it's them against us, I pick us.


Dan

[turbo6bar]

Originally posted by Dan Mc Intyre
Bottom like is ordinary people are subjected to, at best, rude treatment if not public humilliation. I also believe that the backlash will continue against law enforcement across the country. My secretary is 62 and has a real issue with cops because of the way she was treated over a tinted window in a used car she bought from a dealer with the tint already installed.

I've been pulled over at least half a dozen times in the past 10 years, and each officer was professional and respectful. I think some times cops go over the line, but I also think our attitudes towards cops goes a long way.

[lendaddy]

I finally got the video to load. He was a little quick for my taste. But the way she big-dealed it drove me nuts. I would have buried my boot in her a55 after 20 mseconds of the BS wailing, I'm not kidding either. Good thing I'm not a cop.

[86 911]

Originally posted by Moses
What crap. He should have taken the cellphone from her and lifted her out of the car. If she physically resists, Taze away. To use a Tazer on a small woman as a means to avoid physical contact seems thoroughly silly. I showed this video to my dad who was a 30 year Oakland cop and he felt the same way. Silly and unnecessary.

An Oakland Cop! I bow in respect:

[masraum]

I saw the video yesterday on another website. I'm all for the way this went for the cop. The woman was being an idiot and acting like a 5 year old. She repeatedly refused his requests and later demands and even struck at the other officer. I think a big part of the problem is that as a cop you probably never know what you have on your hands. You never can really tell which person is a ticking time bomb. I've seen the videos where a seemingly normal seeming person snaps and assaults a cop or does something else stupid. I think cops get a bad rap. Yes they give tickets which piss us off, and there are undoubtedly bad cops, cops who abuse their power, etc.... But I've found that the majority of the cops that I've come into contact with (I've had plenty of tickets) have been decent guys just doing their job. I wouldn't, possibly couldn't, do their job. It's amazing that they keep their sanity as much as they do since they have to deal with the worst of society.

That woman needed something, to be jerked out of her car put face down and cuffed or tased. How did they know she might have hiv/aids, she might have had a weapon, a pen or pencil, a syringe with a used needle, a lit cigarette, anything that she could have lashed out with. I'd not want to get burned with a lit cigarette for a routine traffic stop of someone that is obviously a dumba$$.

When I get pulled over I say "yes sir," "no sir," and "thank you sir." Her behavior was ridiculous.