I assume, by the ALL CAPS, that you understand I was KIDDING.

But seriously, yeah, we get your point. Do you get ours? Here is another opportunity:

Start a TV station that is not sitcoms, not sports, just news and political discussion, and give it a slogan like "Fair and Balanced."

Then, bring nothing but right-wing propaganda talk shows on.

Sure, some of us know bull**** when we see it, but it's not always that easy to see, and for many voters (obviously), even easy stuff goes unexamined. The voter is incredibly gullible. Have you ever seen one of those shows where they interview folks on the street and ask them easy question about, say, geography? Are you aware of the misconceptions that were out there at election time?

So yeah, you can point out that there are pure-entertainment talks shows on the "Fair and Balanced" station, but are you unaware of the hundreds of thousands, or perhaps millions of people who have no idea what you're talking about when you say it is "entertainment" and not "news?"

So...getting back to Len's point...a question for all you libs...

What's the difference between "Hannity & Colmbs" and "Crossfire?"

One show has a lib and a con for hosts and they debate their political points of view on various topics. The other show has...um...well, a lib and a con....uh...they debate their political points of view...um...differently, I guess....:confused:

One is broadcast on FOX and the other is broadcast on CN...uh...nevermind....I understand it now.

Move along people, nothing to see here. :rolleyes:

Randy

I knew and thought it was quite funny.
That is simply not the true. Granted, Fox represents conservative views, BUT it also represents liberal ones as well. I disagree with about 50% of what I see on their "talk shows", so that tells me half is liberal. To say it's "nothing but right-wing propaganda talk shows" is just grossly false and makes me wonder if you've ever even watched the station. :confused:

- Skip

Does Crossfire act like Hannity in this clip? Because if so, there is no difference. That's so disgraceful.

Also, does CNN use a slogan such as "fair and balanced" or even remotely like that?

Have you ever even watched the show? You're basing everything on one clip, where Hannity is pissed b/c some nut job is making fun of the DEATHS within our military.

Let me spell it out... Some of us get mad when others make fun of our brave people dying. It makes us sick. We may say or do things we normally wouldn't.

No. Because CNN isn't.

"fair & balanced" is why for every Hannity there's a Colmes. For every O'Reilly there's a Gretta. For every Shep, there's a ... a... does anyone know what side Shep's on?

It does not say "totally moderate" or "straight down the middle" or "without opinion". It says "fair & balanced". Meaning, they give fair and equal time to both sides of the argument. Why don't you people get this?

- Skip

That's a bunch of crap. Fox is so not "fair and balanced." Did you read Superman's posts?

And if he can't control himself, he needs to get another job. OMG, listen to yourself. You're excusing this kind of behavior. What the heck happened to this country?

Fair and balanced? - why would a news show even have to state that. It would be like Moses putting a sign out in front of his practice saying "Accurate Diagnosis Made Here". WTF? He better make an accurate diagnosis and the news best be fair and balanced.

And while we are at it, I would really like to see less friendly chat during the local segment – news is serious stuff not a freak’n visit to the coffee pot…(more titties would be nice though).

It so is.
Are you joking?

- Skip

rolls eyes again.

Aren't you guys grown men?

And that channel is clearly not fair and balanced.

shaking my head.

I didn't edit fast enough on my last post...

But, are seriously saying there are no liberal view points on Fox news? It's all conservative?

- Skip

What exactly does that mean?

I'm saying it's not fair and balanced. It should be fairly balanced. It has some liberal viewpoints, but not enough to be fair and balanced. I have a real problem with that slogan...I think they're lying by using it.

And Lube has a good point...

And IMO, I personally don't want any "viewpoints"...I just want the news.

"debating tactic"..."frustate me with nonense"...that kind of stuff. I personally don't feel phrases serve a useful purpose in a debate...rather IMO it's an attempt to attack the poster, which I feel isn't what grown men should do.... I guess I'm doing the same in return, though...I shall stop now.

I'm being serious about what I'm writing here....

FARTTTTT...(sorry Cool, forgot my manners but sometimes you remind of a guy the way you think...thats a good thing BTW)

My eyes are about to roll out the back of my grape!

You've never seen the show. You've never watched the channel. You only read what a few peoplehere have said about it. And even though there are just as many people who argue the opposite, you've come to the rational conclusion that YOU are right.

OOOPS...damn...there goes one of my eyeballs rolling 'cross the floor. :rolleyes:

Randy

Okay...eyeballs are back in place. Whew! Thought I lost one! :eek:

Anyway, NO, Sean Hannity is far from "fair and balanced" he is a super-conservative from the word go. Alan Colmbs, on the other hand is a super-liberal. They are both extremists, but that has already been explained here.

Can't explain it any better than that. If you can't come to terms with it, well, I'm sorry for you. I thought you were more intelligent than that. Seriously!

Randy

When did I say I never watched the show? I said I normally don't watch the shows, doesn't mean I never had.

That was that other guy who said he never had, that he doesn't get it where he lives.

LMAO :rolleyes:

I quoted you word for word.

Randy

RANDY! Quit attacking that lady!

is there any "news show" that isn't entertainment first? Gotta get the eyes people...and facts don't do that.

The masses are asses. Hmm...maybe that's why conservative talk radio is so popular.

:p

Please, quote again. Prove it.

I do admit I never watched Crossfire.....but I do watch FOX and have watched darling Hannity.

I've posted this before and as a news junkie who watches both Fox and CNN, I can honestly say Fox News is slanted. They do it by context. Here's an excellent example from a previous post back in March. No camera tricks and you'll have to trust me that my descriptions are accurate.

Fox reported about the Gonzales hearing that it was a jovial affair, "a love fest at times with even democrats embracing him, one calling him "ol' buddy".

That was the entire story with a few clips of softball questions.

Same story on CNN revealed contentious questioning at times, even from Republicans. It showed one Republican talking about just the idea of looking to get around international laws against torture means you've lost the moral high ground.

But here's the topper! Remember Democrats calling him "ol buddy" in the Fox report? We'll, Joe Biden was questioning him on whether he thinks the President is, at times, beyond international law in regards to ordering torture.

Gonzales answers that it's a hypothetical question and that Bush didn't order the torture at Abu Graib and goes on to say that he can't say whether or not he thinks the President can order torture because it may effect the outcome of a future case. What is Biden's response?

Biden says his opinion now has absolutely no bearing on a future case, that it's "malarkey" and says "we're looking for a straight answer here, ol buddy"

Having an independent media source be an apologist for the government is the first step in slippery slope toward Fascism. Not saying that's going to happen in the US, but as a media source, Fox helps shape public opinion. Did Fox lie in their reporting? No, he really was called "ol buddy" by a Democrat.

Is that really what happened? No.

I watch both to get both sides. This happens a lot. IT'S CALLED CONTEXT.

And just why did (and probably still does) a majority of Americans believe that Saddam Hussein was directly linked to Sept. 11? How did that happen?

The Gonzales thing is only one well-documented example. Now I know why so many people are confused in this country. They are being lied to on a daily basis and would never even know it. Poor souls.

Not one mention of CNN in the entire post. All I did was Cut & Paste. I'm not making this up. Really! Who do you think I am, Dan Rather? ;)

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Randy

Again:

I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. My apologies...I HAVE watched some of these shows, including Hannity, I don't make a habit of it.

Please quit making up stuff now, I would appreciate it. Thank you.

Would you also agree that CNN is slanted? Or, are you saying that Fox is the only news org that's slanted a particular direction?

- Skip

I hesitate to weigh into this particular little debate, but I would raise the point that if you want a fulsome understanding of the issues, you are not likely to ever get it from a television programme which works in sound bites, sensationalistic wording and visual appeal....

If you really want to understand an issue, why not read about it in a few places (to eliminate as much editorial bias as possible).

Television is for the most part mental pollution....

Grab a copy of the Economist and READ.....

Dennis

PS - I think the guy was an idiot, but the interviewers did not let the guy hang himself (if he even had the mental rope to do so), rather they seemed to think that berating the moron was a better means to get their point across....

I hope you don't think I'm attacking you again... :rolleyes:

But,
is not the same as...
They are clearly different.
One says you have watched and the other says you haven't.

- Skip

I'd say of all tv news, CNN is the most objective, but I've definitely seen some real news instances where there was clearly a bias. That said, Aaron Brown is a GREAT reporter, period. Watch him at 10 for a week and see what I mean.

here's something interesting. Fox News and it's news-type show personnel are very fond of saying "and here's a positive story about Iraq that you won't see on any other news show" and "we report more positive news about how the military is making a positive impact on Iraq than any other network" etc. It's pervasive.

now I haven't done a quantititative analysis, but CNN definitely reports more of these types of stories than Fox does. By a lot too.

Well, this is the THIRD time I'm clarifying my point.

I HAVE watched some of these shows, including Hannity, I don't make a habit of it.

What do you guys want? Do you want me to lie and say I haven't watched Hannity or something? Would that make you guys feel better?

And get over the "attacking" crap, will ya? :rolleyes: There is a difference between personally attacking a poster and discussing a point.

Supe, my apologies. Obviously my sarcasm filter is a little buggy today. :confused:

One post ago you said "Please quit making up stuff now". What was "made up"?

That I never watched FOX or Hannity. Isn't that clear when reading the entire post I made?

Oh, man...that's the funniest thing I've read all year. THANK YOU for the laugh! :D :D :D

I avoid H&C because it is infotainment (and obnoxious), and it's not balanced. Fox news shows like Special Report with Brit Hume are right leaning too, IMHO. That's what makes them so refreshing, and it's harmless, as long as you don't get all your news from that one source. Watch News Hour to balance it out.

My favorite thing about Fox, though, is that it sends you guys (gals) into absolute conniption fits of pompous outrage, causing you basically to claim that Fox is mindwashing uninformed, stupid voters, and costing your obviously intellectually superior candidates elections. Rock on!

No.

Because...
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Thanks for the laughs... I don't think I can take any more.

1. I don't see anyone here having a conniption fit of pompous outrage

2. All I said was Hannity is highly unprofessional and Fox is not fair or balanced

3. Shaun also raised some very good points, maybe you should read them and do some thinking....

4. Who said anything about Dem candidates being "intellectually superior" though you may be on to something here...

Look, I wasn't attacking you, nor am I now. I was merely pointing out the hypocracy of your statements. Poking holes in them. Exposing the flaws in your reasoning. I'm sure you'd return the favor if I had done the same thing. :)

Maybe if you wrote it 100 times, like we used to have to do for punishment in elementary school. Remember "writing sentences?"

1. Well to be honest, I personally don't watch any of those shows. I'm not really interested in someone else's opinion.

2. Well to be honest, I personally don't watch any of those shows. I'm not really interested in someone else's opinion.

3. Well to be honest, I personally don't watch any of those shows. I'm not really interested in someone else's opinion.

4. Well to be honest, I personally don't watch any of those shows. I'm not really interested in someone else's opinion.

5. Well to be honest, I personally don't watch any of those shows. I'm not really interested in someone else's opinion.

Sheesh...there go my eyeballs again. :rolleyes:...boing, boing, boing... :D

I never said you were attacking me.

Again, for the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh and eighth time:

4. I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. My apologies...I HAVE watched some of these shows, including Hannity, I don't make a habit of it.

5. I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. My apologies...I HAVE watched some of these shows, including Hannity, I don't make a habit of it.

6. I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. My apologies...I HAVE watched some of these shows, including Hannity, I don't make a habit of it.

7. I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. My apologies...I HAVE watched some of these shows, including Hannity, I don't make a habit of it.

8. I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. My apologies...I HAVE watched some of these shows, including Hannity, I don't make a habit of it.

Now please quit making up stuff. Thank you.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

1) See your previous posts in this thread. Search on "creaturecat" "superman" "red ufo" etc. for further evidence.

2) I agree, but that wasn't my point. My point was that everyone should get their news from a bunch of different sources.

3) Thanks for the condecension. Maybe you and Supe should get together for decaf cappucinos some time.

4) Yup.

It's been fun...SmileWavy

1. Then you're either a drama queen or reading more than is actually there, because I see nothing of the sort, especially my posts.

2. I agree. Then why didn't you say just that?

3. You're welcome. Actually, cappucinos with Supe sounds fun.

That sounds like an attack to me.

edit - I just realized I already said I couldn't take any more... yet, here I am :confused: OK, NOW I can't take any more...