I balanced it with the other statement so as to not be an attack.

LOL skip. It's like a car accident, isn't it? You just can't help but watch....

Watch what? That all I said was Hannity is highly unprofessional and Fox is not fair or balanced?

Or the "fun" in others adding more and changing what was actually said?

Slow day in the personal insult department? Using the computer during recess?
Class act cowtown.http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/...oilet_claw.gif http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/...oilet_claw.gif

Hey thanks creature! I try. Nice toilets!

If I cared, I'd ask you what, exactly, I was making up. But, since I don't care, I'll move on. Besides, my point was made several posts ago.

Anyhooo, how 'bout them Cubs? They having a good season this year? SmileWavy

Randy

You keep saying I've never watched Fox or Hannity even though I clarified multiple times. So at this point, it seems like you're just making it up (maybe I'm interpreting wrong...shrugs).....I would think the first time would've been sufficient.

The Cubbies rock. Been to a couple games this year. So fun! And they're doing pretty well.

It is now very clear I have a problem. Did I sweat while trying to resist the urge of posting again, I will never tell. But I will tell you I have been overcome with a comforting sense of calm since my fingers have started working this keyboard again. I can now truly appreciate what junkies describe as "getting a fix".

Now, on to business...
PLEASE, do tell what exactly was added or changed to any of your posts?

- Skip

I'm talking about the post where I said this:

That's the post you were referring to when you said this:

Number 9. How many times do I have to reprint this? What's so hard about reading what I wrote here when I clarified what I meant?

1. Accusing me of never watching FOX or Hannity even though I've now clarified that post 9 times (this makes 10).

2. All this garbage in response to my post:

My favorite thing about Fox, though, is that it sends you guys (gals) into absolute conniption fits of pompous outrage, causing you basically to claim that Fox is mindwashing uninformed, stupid voters, and costing your obviously intellectually superior candidates elections. Rock on!

And then further garbage to "look back at my posts."

All I said is that Hannity is highly unprofessional and FOX is not fair and balanced. And I meant that I don't watch opinion shows much, which was mistakenly taken to think I never seen them which was clarified 9 TIMES NOW but you guys continue to state I haven't.

But, what was CHANGED or ADDED from your posts?

edit - all that was done was to quote what you had typed. You then deny ever typing it, then accuse people of changing what you typed.

Those things. I clarified same about what I meant, yet you guys are continually changing what I said and what I meant.

Added, that huge paragraph about "intellectually superior candidates"... losing the election, etc. etc. etc.

WRONG, I don't watch those shows does NOT mean I never have watched those shows. You misinterpreted what I said, and I clarified and that's just not good enough for you!

We dont like your kind round here, stranger.

The Economist, indeed. Pinko rag.

Stuart. We report, you believe.

move on folks, nothing more to see here...

Pardon me for the interruption, but wasn't the esteemed Rupert Murdoch (Fox News) the same one who started a news channel in the U.S. because he thought that Ted Turner's CNN was too liberal?

Granted, I only studied journalism for a year, but one of the first things that I learned was to not disclose any bias. The second thing that I learned was that no journalism is without bias.

But crap, people, to claim that Fox news is not biased to the right is simply asinine. I understand the difference between news shows and commentary. Sometimes the line is a bit blurred. CNN is just as guilty, Lou Dobbs comes to mind.

But, if you must get your news from the networks (actually, that doesn't work, since all they seem to talk about is American Idol or Survivor or the MJ trial) or cable, do yourselves a favor and watch Fox and CNN back to back. You'll find that the same stories are covered in completely different ways, and it's fun to try and find the truth between the two.

And, if you want some actual BALANCE, watch News Hour (as someone else has said), or listen to NPR.

But please, please, don't tell me that FOX is 'fair and balanced."

Jim

Al Jazeera can provide a quite different POV, as well. BBC trained, most of their people. Always good to be cogniscent of how other people and cultures look at certain events.

Unless you enjoy examining your own navel lint.

Actually, I quite like the BBC's website for news, now that you mention it (news.bbc.co.uk).

Fox was, after all, the subject of a Michael Moore style documentary about it bias - Outfoxed. Not that I've seen it, although I have watched enough Fox News to know that I didn't want to do it again (smarmy presenters, even for TV standards).

Wow! My original post was just to point out what an a**hole the kid was. Not a question of which news channel he was on.
But if he was on any other network , would that make him any less of a moron??

Nope, he'd still be a moron, but might have had more of a chance to explain himself. The optimist in me says nobody can be that much of a loser, and he must either have some better explanations, or be putting on a pretty elaborate hoax and have a great poker face.

I'd like to believe that, but I think this guy was just a class A loser. He would have been just as much one on any other occasion.

In fact, I dare say that if he had the chance to explain himself, his hole would be much deeper. And I'd be one of the first to start shoveling dirt in to fill it up.

Yup. My pessimistic (read: realistic) side says the same thing.

No, it would not have made him any less of a moron. There just would have been less of a contrast. I find it quite amusing how the left takes a really disturbing person presented by what they consider a right wing commentator and decide the commentator is the bigger problem. I have to admire their focus, their single-mindedness of purpose. At least they keep their goals clearly in view.

I guess low standards are the way to go for you in America, huh?

I have to agree here Jeff. Taking politics out of the equation, Hannity is a professional. I don't think he acted professionally in this situation. His skewering of liberals is typically well-thought out, has a point, etc. He does his job well. He was just ranting here. Not a great career day for him.


I'm surprised he made it on the show through interview screening. It was only embarassing for all involved. not good tv at all.

Do you really STILL not get it, or are you beating with the nonsense stick again?

Hannity IS NOT (that means the opposite of IS) a reporter. He is (opposite of is not) an entertainer. His job is to argue with people. They pay him to do this. The more action and passion on the show the happier they are. Think political Jerry Springer show.

[read repeatedly until it sinks in]

Actually you don't get it. Screw Hannity, he's a low-class nutcase.

Because they have Colms on the show doesn't make FOX fair-and-balanced.

" Grab a copy of the Economist and READ.....

Dennis



We dont like your kind round here, stranger.

The Economist, indeed. Pinko rag.

Stuart. We report, you believe."


Does bring a giggle to me, amazing that we can get so excited over what some moron says, plus the interviewee certainly demonstrated that the average IQ of humanity is indeed 100....

Dennis "pinko" Kalma

Len, I think the issue here is that H&C has all the trappings of a real news show whereas Springer is a different animal all-together.

And we've had this conversation before. I have blue collar friends, good people who work hard all day, but they are not educated and don't discern between real news and a news analysis show, which is what H&C is.

the omnipressent Fox News icon on the screen isn't there by accident.

Ok we'll screw Hannity:rolleyes:

But beyond that, apparently having a Lib on as an opposing view doesn't make it "fair and balanced", so what would.........no conservative, two libs, Paul Begala, a monkey that rides a German Shepard while playing a mini triangle? Just curious.

Oh come on Shaun. They discuss, they don't report at all. And even then they both get a crack at every issue. They promote the fact that Hannity is a right wing nut and Colmbs is a left wing nut, there's no attempt to mislead.

OK, I think we'll disagree on the power of advertising on this issue, which at its core, what any news analysis show is. they're just infomercials.

I do have conversations with these guys and they are clearly mislead. Go to any shop floor in Indiana, Minnesota, Arizona some time, strike up a conversation, play devil's advocate and I think you'll agree.

the myth that most Americans are smart, discerning people is just that.

People don't have time or the inclination to be fully educated on most issues. Combine that with news analysis shows and bush's town hall tours that are packed exclusively with supporters and then reported on and it starts to get scary.

My $.02 on real world experience.

What about Colmbs? He went off on the guy too. Nobodys says anything bad about him!
But I guess thats ok, because he's a Lefty:rolleyes:
Only when a conservative has an opposing viewpoint, its a bad thing. Right?:confused:

Good point, if it were accurate. Listen to the interview again. colmbs starts off with something like "I'm not going to insult/attack you but I really disagree with you and want to hear why you would post this." not exact, but he was careful to set up his questioning.

No, I'm just able to take all of this in context. I see the lib's whining about this in the same light I see their whining about Rush Limbaugh and the rest of that ilk. It's just "entertainment" (although I don't think so, and never watch or listen to this kind of nonsense). Low standards in entertainment do not equal low standards in America. I expect the highest standards in things that count in America; I have come to expect nothing from our entertainment industry. It is clear that the left believes the entertainment industry is a microcosm of America; they take it far more seriously than it would merit. Most of the left's heroes and mouthpieces reside there, as clueless and inane as those icons of the left may be. In light of that blind allegiance to mindless celebrities, I guess it should not be surprising that they believe the right feels the same way and actually takes stock in their entertainers. No wonder you all got your panties in such a twist over this - this is real life stuff for you. The rest of us are better able to separate make-believe from reality.

I don't think 95% of the people understand Limbaugh. He really is unique. I listen to him daily and enjoy the show, not because he gets me riled up, but he has great information and is actually quite funny. That people think he gets talking points from the party or is a creation of the party makes me laugh. You have to listen for a while to really get him, he's kidding alot more than you think he is. He operates on a solid foundation of ideals and principals, many of which I agree with. He very very very rarely gets into religion or any holier-than-thou crap though the lefties think and proclaim he does. No, he's not my hero, but he's not what most people think he is.

Hannity is just a cheerleader. He's not very smart, but he's not stupid either. He deals in emotions. He does get into religion and the like. He is a very honest and sincere guy and he believes in what he's doing and what he says. I don't listen to him much as he is low on content, high on fluff.

I listen to alot of Air America too (I'm seriously trying to understand these people) and they are worse than Hannity on the other end of the spectrum. It's a gigantic liberal circle jerk. Very low on content and high on fluff.

Oh well, I don't know why I even typed this, just my PoV.

too true sadly.

C'mon, Len, after Clinton, don't you know these people don't even have a clear understanding of "what the definition of 'is' is." :D

Randy

now that's funny!

Gosh, you folks have been busy. Acting like children I might add. I need to check on you more often. Okay, lemme start to catch up (I still have two more pages of this thread to read):

Okay, if someone took offense to something I said.....blow me.

And if someone said something offensive toward me.....stop it! I'm a sensitive guy.

Here comes one of only two real points in this post: If you want objectivity and increased information/data....get your news in print. READ it.

Here comes the other one: Some of you guys actually think Fox News is "fair and balanced." I accept that. I'd like you to understand that in context. Many if not most Western adults would look upon CNN or ABC or CBS or NBC, etc., as somewhere near center, but actually a little RIGHT of center. No kidding. So, what you guys look upon as liberal propaganda is simply a non-right-wing-leaning program. And here comes the difficult pill to swallow: Those Western adults would be heartily amused at the suggestion that Fox News is the slightest bit centrist. Their amusement would be uncontainable.

Capuccino would be fun.

"I don't normally watch ______" does not have a very different meaning from "I don't watch_______" Neither of these statements come close to "I've never watched_____" The "normally" qualifier is increased information compared to the statement omitting it, but both statements have essentially the same meaning. Pretending that it means "I've never watched______" so you can needle (the kindest word I could place here) Cool_Chick is not mature or respectful. Or convincing.

Now, back to my reading. You guys play nice for a few minutes.

I'm still reading but had to jump on this. Hannity mops the stage with Colmbs. It's pathetic. This show, itself, is not a "fair and balanced" debate between two opposing but sharp and intelligent viewpoints. Nope. It's a bullfight. Hannity plays the Matador, and Colmbs and the guests are bulls. With the Fox News logo in the corner. Anybody understand the impact this has on the perceptions of Americans whose only information sources are AM talk show radio and Fox? It's deliberate, effective brainwashing. The most you can say about it is that it is effective. Very effective. Heck, even most of you guys think Fox is fair and balanced. Very effective.

Now, it would be a different story if Hannity would invite some sharp, assertive and well-prepared liberal guests, and if his co-host were similarly liveried. Now, many of you are going to think "Yeah but, there's no such thing as a sharp, well-prepared liberal spokesman." Again, Fox has been very effective at creating the illusion that the only sensible position is Dubya's. Trust me. There are some folks out there that Hannity would NOT enjoy interviewing on camera.