dCAutomotive nightmare, what should I do?

[thomas682]

Tim T - relax man... back on the meds.

Andy has only asked for a NC title - NOT a NY or CT title.

The seller offered a NC title in the contract and that is all that Andy wants.

It's really quite simple.

I too am many years out of the jr. high obscenities anf gestures.

[}{arlequin]

Originally posted by PatrickB
Dave,
Hmmmm... Buyer Beware?

Did you get burned by MotorMeister Too?

If it Sounds too good to be true, it usually is? You often get what you pay for? The sweetness of a low quote is often outlasted by the bitterness of poor craftsmanship.... Was I the only guy that stayed awake in Business 101? A motor rebuild that every other shop quotes $10k for, and MotorMeister quotes $5-6K? And you didn't check around for other happy customer referrals??

If MotorMeister was the one and only shop a person went to, maybe....

Don't get me wrong here, as I'm not defending MotorMeister.... But as far as a "total engine rebuild" for a 911 motor for $5k? You get what you pay for!

Let us not forget "Earl Scheib" and "Maaco" Paint Centers. They advertise extensively, and do a tremendous volume of work. But how does one really expect to get lasting complete paint job for $250?? There will always be a demand for less expensive work, lower quality! The problem usually arises when someone misrepresents the lower cost work as being top quality! Miscommunication is where the problem lies...

I was just trying to point out your erroneous assumption that just b/c a company advertises in Excellence, for several years, it means that they must be doing something right. Most, if not all, Pelicans know that's not the case with MotorSheister.

You *continue* to mistakenly assume things, such as that I was burned by a company.

Anyway, back to the lagging title... from your paragraph above:
-what is "too good to be true" about someone saying they'll get something done but drag their feet afterwards?
-get what you pay for? apparently someone paid for a car *and* a title, so this thread exists b/c someone did NOT get what they paid for
-"low quote" "poor craftsmanship"? do you think it takes an artisan to create a title?

[Eli K]

Originally posted by }{arlequin
-"low quote" "poor craftsmanship"? do you think it takes an artisan to create a title?

quote of the week...

[TimT]

Im quite relaxed.. no worries man

just offering similies in older car title/registration problems

REALITIES

Perhaps the buyer might have researched the requirements for taking possesion of, and registering for use an older vehicle..and may have been better informed?

In reality I couldnt supply a title for my 69 911.. I could supply one for my '75 914 though

Did NC title cars way back when?

Does NC now require titles on cars that did not require titles before?

inquiring minds want to know


Pat, I have someother choice smilies if your interested

and I got my masters years ago

[Eli K]

Originally posted by TimT

Did NC title cars way back when?

Does NC now require titles on cars that did not require titles before?

inquiring minds want to know

Why would the buyer care??? The seller clearly stated that they could produce a NC title, the problem rests with DC automotive not Andy.

[}{arlequin]

Originally posted by TimT
Perhaps the buyer might have researched the requirements for taking possesion of, and registering for use an older vehicle..and may have been better informed?

Did NC title cars way back when?

Does NC now require titles on cars that did not require titles before?

all this is completely irrelevant since the ad states that the seller "can produce an NC title"

[}{arlequin]

dammit... too slow

[PatrickB]

Originally posted by thomas682
Sure Patrick it's Andy's fault.

A reputable dealer offers a car and a written guarantee to supply a NC title and Andy's a complete idiot to accept the contract for sale? Andy makes numerous requests for the promised paperwork, keep in mind the car is virtually worthless with out clear title, over a four-month period receiving little more than continued empty promises and you suggest Andy's at fault? This goes on for over four months but you suggest he did not wait long enough for DC to supply the paperwork but now the seller can supply clear title in two weeks? How long is long enough?

I still wonder how you are, “ …both troubled and amazed how everyone points the blame to DC Automotive.” What degree of culpability, other than as you suggest his “making a bad business deal” does Andy have in this scenario? Caveat Emptor does hold in most all private party deals on fit for purpose, condition, etc but this is a specific performance issue in a very simple contract for sale. Seller promised to deliver car and NC title in a timely manner, which we now know to be two weeks for the title, and has yet to perform this specific portion of the contract.

Explain to me again how the buyer is at fault?

I’m confused by your logic.

I'm sorry Thomas, I don't practice law in the Commonwealth of Virginia, nor anywhere else for that matter!... As I have nothing but CONTEMPT for lawyers! No offense specifically meant towards you if you fall into that unfortunate group, but that's how I feel!

Honestly now Thomas, would you hand over a cashier's check for ownership of a vehicle, but without the title coming back at the same time? Sounds to me like the type of transaction you would use an escrow service for!! Of course DC Automotive has certainly dragged their feet! But I really get sick of the "Poor Me" Andrew types that even enter into a shaky deal like this, and then claim total innocence, point the finger at everyone else, and then threaten a legal pissing match. Shame on DC Automotive for not moving quicker, but please Andrew... Have you learned a lesson here?????

I didn't mean to make it appear as Andrew being completely at fault, but he does bear a certain degree of responsibility, doesn't he?? Again, since you are going to use those high fillutin' college phrases on me... I am not privy to the specifics of their agreement, ARE YOU?? Was it in fact part of a written agreement that title issue would be completed by a specific date? Don't arguements relating to specific performance have to have specific time frames? Again, this is just food for thought from a non-lawyer not having looked at a specific contract relating to specific performance issues...

As to "specific performance issue," would you like to share and post the actual "written sales agreement" signed by both parties? Or would you just wish to continue to chime in like another self proclaimed legal expert with far too much time on his hands like the rest of us "idiots.?"

[PatrickB]

Originally posted by TimT




Pat, I have someother choice smilies if your interested

and I got my masters years ago

Dude, Send me a PM on how to do the cool smilies!!

Congrats on the higher edumacation!

[Jim Richards]

Originally posted by dcautomotive
It is ironic that the biggest complaint about the transaction is the paperwork and not the vehicle...

This makes absolutely no sense to a responsible buyer, and hopefully to a responsible seller. dcAutomotive, if you ever find that you've dug yourself into a deep hole, I'd strongly recommend that you put down the shovel.

[Jim Richards]

Originally posted by PatrickB
My $.02 - After about 3 months, Andrew's wife probably threatened to divorce him if he didn't resolve this debacle soon, and his kid sister who might be a second year law student, is polluting and pumping up his poor ego with poor legal advice, after it was deflated by his own inept business decision....

Total BS, Patrick. Your behavior is uncalled for and you should apologize to Andy for insulting him and his family without having a clue about what's going on.

[PatrickB]

Originally posted by }{arlequin
all this is completely irrelevant since the ad states that the seller "can produce an NC title"

That should be the new quote of the day!

All that "really" matters is what stated and signed to in a written sales agreement. And since the original sales contract agreement has yet to be posted, all we're doing is "Assuming." We all better stop doing that, because it apparently makes Dave mad.....

Dave, I didn't mean to shame you by placing you in that disgruntled group of former MotorMeister customers!! The only point I want to make, is there will always be a group of complainers who are inevitably the same cheapskates that look for the abolute cheapest price for doing everything, then complain and threaten to sue when the quality is found out to be substandard....

[Jim Richards]

[jazzbass]

Originally posted by Jim Richards
Total BS, Patrick. Your behavior is uncalled for and you should apologize to Andy for insulting him and his family without having a clue about what's going on.

Amen. Hey Patrick - would you talk to Andy like that in person, or do you reserve your complete lack of decorum for anonymous bulletin boards?

And FYI, we do know the written terms of the agreement - they are in the eBay add. Read the eBay terms and conditions - both buyer and seller are legally bound to the terms and condidtions set forth in the ad. It constitutes a legal agreement. Sorry for all the big words in there.

[thomas682]

“Again, since you are going to use those high fillutin' college phrases on me... I am not privy to the specifics of their agreement, ARE YOU??” - Yes I am privy to the specific details of the agreement.

“Don't arguments (sic) relating to specific performance have to have specific time frames?” - The specific time frame for presenting clear title is set forth by the Commonwealth and may not be modified by any contract or other legal instrument.

“Or would you just wish to continue to chime in like another self proclaimed legal expert with far too much time on his hands like the rest of us "idiots.?"” - No I’m not another self proclaimed legal expert with far too much time on his hands but I could play one on TV. I do not believe I’ve ever called out anyone on this board or any other as an “idiot”.

And yes I would close a deal on a man's word. A few years back I bought a Citation VII on a handshake and have closed numerous business deals in the same fashion. I guess it's an Old South type of tradition with me. Honor... at the end of the days it's really all any man has to call his own.

[keithlambert7]

Originally posted by PatrickB
That should be the new quote of the day!

The only point I want to make, is there will always be a group of complainers who are inevitably the same cheapskates that look for the abolute cheapest price for doing everything, then complain and threaten to sue when the quality is found out to be substandard....

Huh? I thought Andy was winning bidder on the car, how does that make him a seeker of the "absolute cheapest price"? He's not threatening to sue because the quality is substandard, only because he was shafted. I think getting pissed after 4 months of waiting and BS hardly makes him a chronic complainer. What's the matter with you guys?!

[PatrickB]

Originally posted by }{arlequin
I was just trying to point out your erroneous assumption that just b/c a company advertises in Excellence, for several years, it means that they must be doing something right. Most, if not all, Pelicans know that's not the case with MotorSheister.

You *continue* to mistakenly assume things, such as that I was burned by a company.

Anyway, back to the lagging title... from your paragraph above:
-what is "too good to be true" about someone saying they'll get something done but drag their feet afterwards?
-get what you pay for? apparently someone paid for a car *and* a title, so this thread exists b/c someone did NOT get what they paid for
-"low quote" "poor craftsmanship"? do you think it takes an artisan to create a title?

Too good to be true? All I meant was that it's possible Andy might have got caught up in the 'Moment" of finally finding his right project. Here I go assuming again, but maybe the car met all of his criteria, and he put less importance on the title issue. Gosh, none of us have ever been there before... Again, shame on DC for dragging their feet! However, Andy didn't seem to have a problem parting with the cash for the car, and the promise of a title that needed to be created?

Dave, I will admit that my assumption on the advertising was a stretch at best

As you said, most Pelicans already know about MM!! Most folks on this site are fairly intelligent folks! (maybe not me ) How many folks would really hand over their hard earned $$ for a car with no title, only the assurance that it doesn't have one, but shouldn't be a problem to get in a few weeks? How about you take a 50% deposit, balance paid and car delivered with title? Seller won't go for it? How many of us would then walk away from the deal right then??? Probably about 99%

I hope you aren't assuming anything either... But didn't the buyer pay money for the car, and the *promise of a title* that did not yet exist? Opps... Sorry! Another assumption on my part! I didn't see the written agreement either.

I really liked the low quote message! I saw it on a billboard of a manufacturing company on the side of the 91 freeway 25 years ago...

[thomas682]

Patrick,

With all due respect -

We've taken a vote and decided that it's time to take away your shovel. China just called with great concren over the hole you're still diggin'.

[}{arlequin]

Originally posted by PatrickB
But didn't the buyer pay money for the car, and the *promise of a title* that did not yet exist? Opps... Sorry! Another assumption on my part! I didn't see the written agreement either.

No, he paid for a car w/ *no* title BUT with a promise that one will be created and provided subsequent.

The entire contract is out there for everyone to see... it's the ebay ad itself. If you offer the terms of a contract and (w/o retracting them in a similar manner) someone takes you up on those terms, you are bound by the terms that YOU yourself have created.

[stomachmonkey]

Hey this is better than OT.

I would have,

1. Had any paperwork that DC had on hand FedEx'd before taking delivery of car.

2. Gone to DMV to get regi and title. If I ran into trouble then DC would be obligated to get me whatever my DMV said I needed and in a timely fashion or deal is dead.

The ad was very clear on the paperwork. Had no title been promised then I'd say DC was fair and forthcoming. BUT, DC did promise a title and that promise negates everything that came before including the ad.

It's DC's responsibility to make good here.

Personally I have very little free time to play with my toys and to have a project sit for 4 months because of paperwork would make anyone go out of their minds.

Honestly I'd have been a bit more than irate after 4 weeks let alone 4 months.