Deep Throat and Genocide

[Racerbvd]

Deep Throat and Genocide
By Ben Stein
Published 6/1/2005 12:22:42 AM
Re: The "news" that former FBI agent Mark Felt broke the law, broke his code of ethics, broke his oath and was the main source for Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward's articles that helped depose Richard Nixon, a few thoughts.

Can anyone even remember now what Nixon did that was so terrible? He ended the war in Vietnam, brought home the POW's, ended the war in the Mideast, opened relations with China, started the first nuclear weapons reduction treaty, saved Eretz Israel's life, started the Environmental Protection Administration. Does anyone remember what he did that was bad?

Oh, now I remember. He lied. He was a politician who lied. How remarkable. He lied to protect his subordinates who were covering up a ridiculous burglary that no one to this date has any clue about its purpose. He lied so he could stay in office and keep his agenda of peace going. That was his crime. He was a peacemaker and he wanted to make a world where there was a generation of peace. And he succeeded.

That is his legacy. He was a peacemaker. He was a lying, conniving, covering up peacemaker. He was not a lying, conniving drug addict like JFK, a lying, conniving war starter like LBJ, a lying, conniving seducer like Clinton -- a lying, conniving peacemaker. That is Nixon's kharma.

When his enemies brought him down, and they had been laying for him since he proved that Alger Hiss was a traitor, since Alger Hiss was their fair-haired boy, this is what they bought for themselves in the Kharma Supermarket that is life:

1.) The defeat of the South Vietnamese government with decades of death and hardship for the people of Vietnam.

2.) The assumption of power in Cambodia by the bloodiest government of all time, the Khmer Rouge, who killed a third of their own people, often by making children beat their own parents to death. No one doubts RN would never have let this happen.

So, this is the great boast of the enemies of Richard Nixon, including Mark Felt: they made the conditions necessary for the Cambodian genocide. If there is such a thing as kharma, if there is such a thing as justice in this life of the next, Mark Felt has bought himself the worst future of any man on this earth. And Bob Woodward is right behind him, with Ben Bradlee bringing up the rear. Out of their smug arrogance and contempt, they hatched the worst nightmare imaginable: genocide. I hope they are happy now -- because their future looks pretty bleak to me.

[gaijindabe]

This has been posted but bears repeating.. Mostly for the brain washed post-baby boomer generation.

[kach22i]

Thats a lot to think about, guess one could spin it that way just for fun.

I'll have to get back to you, long days back to back are draining me.

[stevepaa]

Well, most of that was shown to be cr*p before. maybe you could find the link and review some of the faults of nixon apologetics.

[techweenie]

LOL!

Ben Stein is an actor and comic. Imagine what would happen if we posted similar drivel from Jeanine Garofalo?

[Racerbvd]

Originally posted by techweenie
LOL!

Ben Stein is an actor and comic. Imagine what would happen if we posted similar drivel from Jeanine Garofalo?

You might want check his back ground.

Ben Stein is a writer, actor, economist, and lawyer in Beverly Hills and Malibu, and author of "Ben Stein's Diary" each month in The American Spectator.

[Racerbvd]

Originally posted by Racerbvd
You might want check his back ground.

Ben Stein (Benjamin J. Stein) was born November 25, 1944 in Washington, D.C., (He is the son of the economist and writer Herbert Stein) grew up in Silver Spring, Maryland, and attended Montgomery Blair High School. He graduated from Columbia University in 1966 with honors in economics. He graduated from Yale Law School in 1970 as valedictorian of his class by election of his classmates. He helped to found the Journal of Law and Social Policy while at Yale. He has worked as a poverty lawyer in New Haven and Washington, D.C., a trial lawyer in the field of trade regulation at the Federal Trade Commission in Washington, D.C., a university adjunct at American University in Washington, D.C., at the University of California at Santa Cruz, and at Pepperdine University in Malibu, CA. At American U. He taught about the political and social content of mass culture. He taught the same subject at UCSC, as well as about political and civil rights under the Constitution. At Pepperdine, he has taught about libel law and about securities law and ethical issues since 1986.

In 1973 and 1974, he was a speech writer and lawyer for Richard Nixon at The White House and then for Gerald Ford. (He did NOT write the line, "I am not a crook.") He has been a columnist and editorial writer for The Wall Street Journal, a syndicated columnist for The Los Angeles Herald Examiner (R.I.P.) and King Features Syndicate, and a frequent contributor to Barrons, where his articles about the ethics of management buyouts and issues of fraud in the Milken Drexel junk bond scheme drew major national attention. He has been a regular columnist for Los Angeles Magazine, New York Magazine, E! Online, and most of all, has written a lengthy diary for ten years for The American Spectator. He also writes frequently for The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, op. ed. and almost every other imaginable magazine.

He has written and published sixteen books, seven novels, largely about life in Los Angeles, and nine nonfiction books, about finance and about ethical and social issue in finance, and also about the political and social content of mass culture. He has done pioneering work in uncovering the concealed messages of TV and in explaining how TV and movies get made. His titles include A License to Steal, Michael Milken and the Conspiracy to Bilk the Nation, The View From Sunset Boulevard, Hollywood Days, Hollywood Nights, DREEMZ, Financial Passages, and Ludes. His most recent book is the best selling humor self help book, How To Ruin Your Life. He has also been a longtime screenwriter, writing, among many other scripts (most of which were unmade ) the first draft of The Boost, a movie based on Ludes, and the outlines of the lengthy miniseries Amerika, and the acclaimed Murder in Mississippi. He was one of the creators of the well regarded comedy, Fernwood Tonight.

[techweenie]

He's a not very funny comedian who wrote a snide insider's commentary on Hollywood for about 4-5 years called Monday Night at Morton's. He hosted a silly cable game show, too.

Oh, and he does Visine spots. I'd put those on about the same level of credibility as American Spectator.

[Racerbvd]

Originally posted by techweenie
He's a not very funny comedian who wrote a snide insider's commentary on Hollywood for about 4-5 years called Monday Night at Morton's. He hosted a silly cable game show, too.

Oh, and he does Visine spots. I'd put those on about the same level of credibility as American Spectator.

But he does have the education to back him up

[Jeff Higgins]

Let's compare Sean Penn's, Alec Baldwin's, Barbara Streisand's, (or even John Kerry's) credentials to Ben Stein's. He picked up acting as an amusing distraction to real life. To these others, and their followers, it is real life. It's funny how the clueless on the left are so quick to shout "he's just an actor" when in fact that is exactly what most of their spokespersons are; a surprising percentage of which are high-school dropouts. Funny how the "intellectually superior" left listens to such, while the dumb rednecks on the right quietly present eloquent, well educated spokesmen like Ben Stein.

[dd74]

Well, at least Ben Stein is fun to watch on TV. Nixon, on the other hand, should go down as the most underrated president of the 20th Century. Yes, he was instrumental in committing a crime and trying to cover it up. But everything Racerbvd lists is true. This man deserves much more credit, and not until the so-greatly-self-enamored Bernsteins of the world retire from the limelight, will that credit finally come to Nixon. After all, as far as Vietnam, at least he had a directive. Johnson just kept flinging more Americans into the fire.

I look at Nixon this way: he is a man who became president at the wrong time. The U.S. was eating itself alive then. If McGovern won, we'd probably be worse off. Yes, he was paranoid, and he lied, but honestly, who hasn't since then in the guise of Reagan, Clinton and Bush II. And with the exception of Clinton, both Reagan and Bush II have treaded on some pretty thin legal and/or ethical ice.

My thinking is if Nixon had been president instead of...say Carter...we wouldn't have the troubles we "think" we have in Mideast today.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
Let's compare Sean Penn's, Alec Baldwin's, Barbara Streisand's, (or even John Kerry's) credentials to Ben Stein's.

Indeed

[Racerbvd]

Originally posted by dd74
Well, at least Ben Stein is fun to watch on TV. Nixon, on the other hand, should go down as the most underrated president of the 20th Century. Yes, he was instrumental in committing a crime and trying to cover it up. But everything Racerbvd lists is true. This man deserves much more credit, and not until the so-greatly-self-enamored Bernsteins of the world retire from the limelight, will that credit finally come to Nixon. After all, as far as Vietnam, at least he had a directive. Johnson just kept flinging more Americans into the fire.

I look at Nixon this way: he is a man who became president at the wrong time. The U.S. was eating itself alive then. If McGovern won, we'd probably be worse off. Yes, he was paranoid, and he lied, but honestly, who hasn't since then in the guise of Reagan, Clinton and Bush II. And with the exception of Clinton, both Reagan and Bush II have treaded on some pretty thin legal and/or ethical ice.

My thinking is if Nixon had been president instead of...say Carter...we wouldn't have the troubles we "think" we have in Mideast today.

Correct, you can thank carter for the troubles we have too.

[techweenie]

Aren't you the same guys who are arguing that an education means little if nothing?

Or does that only apply to folks whose opinions you disagree with?

Karl Rove:
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing. "

[Moneyguy1]

Sadly, Ben uses his education and his intelligence to shade things in the direction he wishes the reader to go. I would not want him on my Trivial Pursuit team or near anything else I treasured.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by dd74
Yes, he was paranoid, and he lied, but honestly, who hasn't since then in the guise of Reagan, Clinton and Bush II. And with the exception of Clinton, both Reagan and Bush II have treaded on some pretty thin legal and/or ethical ice.

Don't forget Bush1, whose role in the creation of the Gulf War is clearer as time goes by.

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Transcript of Meeting Between Iraqi President, Saddam Hussein and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie. - July 25, 1990.

July 25, 1990 - Presidential Palace - Baghdad

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices, the immediate cause of your confrontation with Kuwait. (pause) As you know, I lived here for years and admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. We know you need funds. We understand that, and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. (pause) We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your threats against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned. For this reason, I have received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship - not confrontation - regarding your intentions: Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait's borders?

Saddam Hussein - As you know, for years now I have made every effort to reach a settlement on our dispute with Kuwait. There is to be a meeting in two days; I am prepared to give negotiations only this one more brief chance. (pause) When we (the Iraqis) meet (with the Kuwaitis) and we see there is hope, then nothing will happen. But if we are unable to find a solution, then it will be natural that Iraq will not accept death.

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - What solutions would be acceptable?

Saddam Hussein - If we could keep the whole of the Shatt al Arab - our strategic goal in our war with Iran - we will make concessions (to the Kuwaitis). But, if we are forced to choose between keeping half of the Shatt and the whole of Iraq (i.e., in SaddamÕs view, including Kuwait) then we will give up all of the Shatt to defend our claims on Kuwait to keep the whole of Iraq in the shape we wish it to be. (pause) What is the United States' opinion on this?

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America.

(Eight days later, Iraq invaded Kuwait)

[Moneyguy1]

SoCal..But like so many others of his out of the mainstream celebrities, people out there BELIEVE him and he is so much better than most opiners at modifying history. I liked him better when he hawked Visene.

Further, please name ONE source out there of unbiased news....

[cowtown]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
Sadly, Ben uses his education and his intelligence to shade things in the direction he wishes the reader to go. I would not want him on my Trivial Pursuit team or near anything else I treasured.

So...you won't play boardgames with people of differing, albeit educated, political views? Wow.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by cowtown
So...you won't play boardgames with people of differing, albeit educated, political views? Wow.

Last I heard, freedom of association hadn't been taken away... yet.

[Moneyguy1]

no cow...ain't the case. I prefer to play with honest, open minded people.