H-P To Lay Off 14.5K

[dd74]

Originally posted by nostatic
well, then maybe the people will start to leave too. And it will likely be the smart ones first.

Right. And there goes a company's intellectual property.

Funny, isn't some Chinese petro company looking to buy Unocal? Won't be worth much if there's no Americans around to show them how to turn a knob or flip a switch. They've already left or been fired.

[CamB]

I agree with Todd (and others) - seems to me there is a finite degree of wages (at the current retail cost of goods) available for US, Chinese and Indian workers. If the Chinese and Indian workers get paid more, the cost of the goods go up... meaning you lose purchasing power and lose (in a relative sense) your standard of living.

Basically, I don't think all people in the world can be "first world" - there have to be "have nots" to let there be "haves".

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by CamB
I agree with Todd (and others) - seems to me there is a finite degree of wages (at the current retail cost of goods) available for US, Chinese and Indian workers. If the Chinese and Indian workers get paid more, the cost of the goods go up... meaning you lose purchasing power and lose (in a relative sense) your standard of living.

Basically, I don't think all people in the world can be "first world" - there have to be "have nots" to let there be "haves".

"the pie is only so big"

A classic liberal standing that we disagree with.

[stevepaa]

Originally posted by lendaddy
"the pie is only so big"

A classic liberal standing that we disagree with.

Funny. When I was a conservative, that was the conservative standing. When did it become a liberal view?

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by stevepaa
Funny. When I was a conservative, that was the conservative standing. When did it become a liberal view?

Huh? Republicans have always held that there is always room for more individual success. It is Democrats who have always claimed that someone must fail for another to succeed.

How would you reconcile it as a Republican theory?

[dd74]

Originally posted by lendaddy
"the pie is only so big"

A classic liberal standing that we disagree with.

More a human standing. Don't think there won't be conservatives effected by the outsourcing of jobs. In many ways, you're luckier because you have your own business. Yes, the climate can have an effect on you, but that effect will come on much more slowly than if you were behind a desk and just given a pink slip. Also, you're more in a position to switch directions with your business. The average corporate-employed person might not have that option.

[stevepaa]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Huh? Republicans have always held that there is always room for more individual success. It is Democrats who have always claimed that someone must fail for another to succeed.

How would you reconcile it as a Republican theory?

You will have to explain to me how democrats always claimed something like that.

You changed it from a closed box scenario with finite value to a chicken in every pot, and you can all have what you want.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by lendaddy
"the pie is only so big"

A classic liberal standing that we disagree with.

well, Reagan saw three halfs of the pie, so I suppose he was a liberal.

Entropy wins. Look at any natural system and you see that there are limits. Economic and social systems are no different.

[Moneyguy1]

I am am entropy fan. Can't happen too soon....

But I would LOVE to hear about this unlimited potential for wealth theory...Which party used the slogan "A chicken in every pot..two cars in every garage." Answer: Herbert Hoover, 1928. We all know what happened then...

[Superman]

Liberals are people who have stopped pretending that everyone can simultaneously be upper class. Or even middle class. We've stopped pretending that nobody needs to clean the oven hoods. Capitalism, like it or not, requires that there be winners and losers. We've been over this before. Capitalism in equilibrium requires some unemployment. Without it, wages would be out of equilibrium and the pressure would be upward. For example. It is, indeed, a "survival of the fittest" economic system.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by lendaddy


That's not the country I live in.

Rovania?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by legion


Rather than bemoaning the loss of jobs, we need to come up with strategies that make doing business here attractive.

you mean like all of bush's tax breaks for outsourcing and Cayman Island corps? yeah, that's exactly what we need.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
Rovania?

that was funny.

[widebody911]

Originally posted by lendaddy
"the pie is only so big"

Make the pie higher!

[lendaddy]

OK, so you guys on the left don't think we should do anything to lure Corporations here or to entice them to stay (as they already make too much).

What is your plan then? Force them to stay? B1tch but otherwise do nothing? Seriously....what?

Corporations are machines that we can use to better our country, they are not the enemy.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by lendaddy
OK, so you guys on the left don't think we should do anything to lure Corporations here or to entice them to stay (as they already make too much).

What is your plan then? Force them to stay? B1tch but otherwise do nothing? Seriously....what?

Corporations are machines that we can use to better our country, they are not the enemy.

Tax breaks for training and hiring U.S. workers.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
Tax breaks for training and hiring U.S. workers.

Ok, so you're a Republican now?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Ok, so you're a Republican now?

Len, I am a:
fiscal conservative
pro-personal discipline
pro-support network
social liberal
government involvement libertarian
anti-modern day Union
anti-organized religion
anti-war on all but the most egregious circumstances
believer that those at the top have a moral responsibility to help those at the very bottom (money, time, opportunity)
believer that our future rests in breaking cycles, (G9Girl is my attempt at breaking the cycle of how girls see themselves in the current and their available opportunities for the future.)

who believes that Education is the silver bullet.

there's more, but that's me