I feel like a complete A## h#le

Rick V · 09-01-2005, 04:13 PM

I like alot of people spent a large part of yesterday thinking and cussing the sky rocketing price of fuel. Damn I was pissed at the oil cartell for the reaming we were recieving.

I sat down to watch the news and saw people who have a level of nothing that I can't even comprehend.
Children saw more dead bodies than I saw Volvo's.
And through the hardships I was watching from the comfort of my den I saw an old man with a trumpet playing music on a street corner. He was simply trying to feel somewhat normal.

Kind of makes the *****ing about what we do have seem selfish. I guess that sometimes I just need a reminder of just how lucky I truly am.

lendaddy · 09-01-2005, 04:35 PM

That's a revelation we in America can make everyday, it's just more obvious now. It's tough to imagine what they are going through, I honestly tried today and my brain kept rejecting it...seriously.

bryanthompson · bryanthompson's Garage

I can't wrap my mind around it... I've never been close to something like this, ever. I feel for all of them, and am doing all I can to help, which isn't much in the big scheme of things. It just pisses me off to hear "we're not doing anything" from a bunch of people who never think we're doing anything except the wrong thing. It gets old.

singpilot · 09-01-2005, 06:12 PM

I flew over there today. The usual route from South Florida to SoCal. After Tampa, Jet Route 2 to Leeville (where the VOR beacon used to be), then J-86 to El Paso, etc. That route took us out over the Gulf paralleling the ALA-MIS-LA coast, coming ashore at the opening of the Mississippi Delta. Of course, 9 miles up. The plane knows that the radio beacons were off the air down there, but soldiered on using GPS sattelites to navigate to the physical locations that the beacons should have been.

Looking down on the Crescent city that used to be. Knowing people were dying and suffering down there.

Here, in America.

Not some third world (which it has become) but here, in America.

Maybe it's time we stop helping the rest of the world and concentrate on us for a while.

Adieu Vieux Carre'.

This is not the America I grew up in.

skipdup · 09-01-2005, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by singpilot
I flew over there today. The usual route from South Florida to SoCal. After Tampa, Jet Route 2 to Leeville (where the VOR beacon used to be), then J-86 to El Paso, etc. That route took us out over the Gulf paralleling the ALA-MIS-LA coast, coming ashore at the opening of the Mississippi Delta. Of course, 9 miles up. The plane knows that the radio beacons were off the air down there, but soldiered on using GPS sattelites to navigate to the physical locations that the beacons should have been.

Looking down on the Crescent city that used to be. Knowing people were dying and suffering down there.

Here, in America.

Not some third world (which it has become) but here, in America.

Maybe it's time we stop helping the rest of the world and concentrate on us for a while.

Adieu Vieux Carre'.

This is not the America I grew up in.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with your post. However, a couple things struck me as I was reading... How do you help people when they're shooting at you? Also, are our resources restricted because of the help we give around the world? What's "over there" that should be "here"? Have we not done something in NO because there wasn't the money to do it? Are the engineers gone? The pumps? Do we not have enough law enforcement in this country to control the situation?

Just curious.

- Skip

Dottore · 09-01-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
It's tough to imagine what they are going through, I honestly tried today and my brain kept rejecting it...seriously.

Not so very long ago the TV was also alive with a pictures of a city whose infrastructure had disappeared. A city without electricity or sanitation...a city where people were fighting over drinking water...a city with overcrowded hospitals and widespread looting...a city in which thousands of innocent people lay dying.

The difference was that other city had ten times the population of NO - and the carnage was not result of a natural disaster - but rather the result of an aggressive and illegal war waged by the US. The city was Baghdad.

How hard did you guys try to get your minds around that one?

HardDrive · 09-01-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by Dottore
Not so very long ago the TV was also alive with a pictures of a city whose infrastructure had disappeared. A city without electricity or sanitation...a city where people were fighting over drinking water...a city with overcrowded hospitals and widespread looting...a city in which thousands of innocent people lay dying.

The difference was that other city had ten times the population of NO - and the carnage was not result of a natural disaster - but rather the result of an aggressive and illegal war waged by the US. The city was Baghdad.

How hard did you guys try to get your minds around that one?

BANG. WELL SAID.

legion · 09-02-2005, 04:56 AM

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Originally posted by Dottore
Not so very long ago the TV was also alive with a pictures of a city whose infrastructure had disappeared. A city without electricity or sanitation...a city where people were fighting over drinking water...a city with overcrowded hospitals and widespread looting...a city in which thousands of innocent people lay dying.

The difference was that other city had ten times the population of NO - and the carnage was not result of a natural disaster - but rather the result of an aggressive and illegal war waged by the US. The city was Baghdad.

How hard did you guys try to get your minds around that one?

Yep, twist everthing into an Anti-Bush rant.

widebody911 · widebody911's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by legion
Not so very long ago the TV was also alive with a pictures of a city whose infrastructure had disappeared. A city without electricity or sanitation...a city where people were fighting over drinking water...a city with overcrowded hospitals and widespread looting...a city in which thousands of innocent people lay dying.

The difference was that other city had ten times the population of NO - and the carnage was not result of a natural disaster - but rather the result of an aggressive and illegal war waged by the US. The city was Baghdad.

Yep, twist everthing into an Anti-Bush rant.

I'm just dying to see the pro-Bush spin on this...

legion · 09-02-2005, 05:48 AM

Seeing as you can't see the difference between a war and a hurricane, I don't know what good any explanation would do.

skipdup · 09-02-2005, 06:02 AM

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Originally posted by Dottore
Not so very long ago the TV was also alive with a pictures of a city whose infrastructure had disappeared. A city without electricity or sanitation...a city where people were fighting over drinking water...a city with overcrowded hospitals and widespread looting...a city in which thousands of innocent people lay dying.

The difference was that other city had ten times the population of NO - and the carnage was not result of a natural disaster - but rather the result of an aggressive and illegal war waged by the US. The city was Baghdad.

How hard did you guys try to get your minds around that one?

unbelievable.

Dottore · 09-02-2005, 06:21 AM

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Originally posted by legion
Seeing as you can't see the difference between a war and a hurricane, I don't know what good any explanation would do.

I can see a difference: the one is an "act of God" and unforseeable and unavoidable - and the other one is forseeable and avoidable and illegal and morally reprehensible.

My only question was : where was your compassion then?

skipdup · 09-02-2005, 06:39 AM

Dottore- You're right, Iraq was avoidable. All they had to do is comply within the 12 years we gave them to comply. They did not.

Dottore · 09-02-2005, 07:11 AM

Skipdup:

I could ask: "Comply with what?" ....or I could remark on the extraordinary arrogance implicit in your post (I mean who are you to give such ultimatums?)...but I fear this will not get us any closer to meaningful discussion of the question I had posed.

lendaddy · 09-02-2005, 07:15 AM

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Originally posted by Dottore
Skipdup:

I could ask: "Comply with what?" ....or I could remark on the extraordinary arrogance implicit in your post (I mean who are you to give such ultimatums?)...but I fear this will not get us any closer to meaningful discussion of the question I had posed.

Are you for real? The UN you tool, the organization you no doubt worship gave the ultimatum. What am I dealing with? Is stupidity/ignorance in fashion?

masraum · 09-02-2005, 07:19 AM

Gas prices seem pretty minor right now. We still pay less than everyplace else that you would want to live.

lendaddy · 09-02-2005, 07:26 AM

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Originally posted by turbocarrera
Len, you tool, Iraq was in compliance when you guys attacked. The inspectors had unlimit3d access to all parts of the country. They released the 12k page report as required detailing their destruction of banned weapons. Then you attacked. You tool.

You have demonstrated your ignorance on several occasions...but few so brilliantly, bravo.

Edit: lol I see my lil buddy tried to delete his obviously and blatently wrong post. But the daddy was too quick

turbocarrera · 09-02-2005, 07:28 AM

I felt bad about calling you a tool.

skipdup · 09-02-2005, 07:35 AM

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Originally posted by Dottore
Skipdup:

I could ask: "Comply with what?" ....or I could remark on the extraordinary arrogance implicit in your post (I mean who are you to give such ultimatums?)...but I fear this will not get us any closer to meaningful discussion of the question I had posed.

You're serious aren't you? Insane.

tabs · 09-02-2005, 07:40 AM

We don't live in a perfect world....

Everybody can cry to the heavens that we are not doing enough to help out our own countrymen...but U just don't snap your fingers and things get done....the USA government is a lumbering giant, it takes time to gear up...