.........or having blind faith that *your* particular flavour of God is responsible for it's creation.

Oh Lord wont you buy me a Mercedes Benz...
My friends all have Porsches, I must make amends...

John, Moses

I, for one, have enjoyed your inputs to this thread immensley. Moses, I agree with John. Thats the best simple summation on evolutionary theory Ive seen. Particlulary relevant to an audience that perhpas is best addressed with non complex, black and white ideas.

Wouldn't it be fair to say that there is far more consensus amongst scientists about how evolution works than there is amongst theologians about how creation works (I am serious)? There are, I understand, a number of different views on ID and that is before you get to the alternate views (pure creationism, or - my preference - evolution but God has his hand in there somewhere (eg, where livi said)).

David also asked about "facts" - before becoming a Christian I had to spend more than a few minutes trying to find a way to mentally reconcile the existence of dinosaurs and that they pre-dated man (see Moses' carbon dating deal). I'm serious - it was a "big issue" for me.

Disclaimer - I'm Catholic, apparently that matters :rolleyes:

OK, let us consider a reconciliation game plan:

Before the Big Bang science havn´t a clue what went on - so lets put God there - as the starter of the race.

From Big Bang and onward the Evolution progresses as science depicts with God acting as supervisor. He seldom finds cause for interference since his patented invention Evolution spins their 'creational' wheels all by them selves.

Now, when His Holly evolutionary invention has reached as far as the primates, God is getting bored. He has triggered a natural disaster here and there but apart from that its quit slow down here and nothing particularly exciting is happening.

Okidoki, sais to him self, lets get cracking - I need some entertainment here !

Lets see.. hmm...

Yeess !! Eureka ! I need a race with the intelligence and foresight to concur this place. I need some action.

What do I have to work with here ? A camel ? Naa.. A snake ??!!

Come to think of it - the primate line seems the obvious choice. They have already accomplished a lot in terms of evolutionary steps and should be the perfect platform. I can wind up evolutionary speed and specifically turbo charge the intellectual part.

Dawn of man. And now things start to happen in a relatively furious speed. God has been sitting around for eons bored out his pants, but now..... He is full of excitement !

And He sits back. Content. Proclaiming : Now this place ROCKS !!

There is NO DEVIL...just Gawd when he is Drunk....on his a$$....and I should know I have bin there many atime to pick the old sot up....

Gawd was just telling me the other day...that in olden times the Jungle Bunnies had to entertain themselves around the campfires cause TV hadn't bin invented yet...and to satisify themselves they had to come up with a story line that would sell about how the World began...and they came up with Creationism... I told Gawd....seems plausible to me....To which he replied...Dam right....I was there....

BTW...if U had to listen to what Gawd has to listen to EVERY day you'd drink tooo....

Moses, while I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said and I agree with your position, I need to clarify the above point.

Evolution never said the humans evolved from apes. Evolution says that apes and humans have a common ancestor, some time way in the past. The evolutionary “tree” split at that point. One branch eventually became humans and the other branch eventually became apes.

Absolutely. It would be a mistake to assume that apes have remained completely unchanged since that "split" in the evolutionary tree. I agree completely.