Is W capable of learning?

[techweenie]

After the Mike Brown fiasco, he's got the new wife of Chertoff's Chief of Staff -- most recently an HR administrator for W -- up for the job as head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Are immigration issues that unimportant to him, or does he simply not understand the concept of 'qualified?'

Immigration Nominee's Credentials Questioned
By Dan Eggen and Spencer S. Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, September 20, 2005; Page A01

The Bush administration is seeking to appoint a lawyer with little immigration or customs experience to head the troubled law enforcement agency that handles those issues, prompting sharp criticism from some employee groups, immigration advocates and homeland security experts.

The push to appoint Julie Myers to head the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, part of the Department of Homeland Security, comes in the midst of intense debate over the qualifications of department political appointees involved in the sluggish response to Hurricane Katrina.

Concerns over Myers, 36, were acute enough at a Senate hearing last week that lawmakers asked the nominee to detail during her testimony her postings and to account for her management experience. Sen. George V. Voinovich (R-Ohio) went so far as to tell Myers that her résumé indicates she is not qualified for the job.

Full story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/19/AR2005091901930.html

[legion]

The problem with "qualified" is that the people who actually would do a good job are the same people who took their mistresses to city-owned apartments or hired an illegal nanny...so instead presidents have to appoint people who can make it through the vetting process (which usually has little to do with how qualified they are). They appoint people who are "safe", not "qualified".

[Superman]

We're going to hear once again, from the Defenders of Dubya, that managers need have no particular experience in any particular subject matter, including the business of the organization they will lead. That general managerial acumen is all that is necessary or significant. That's all I'd say too, if I were simply playing the role of apologist.

Frankly, it is my personal belief that "leadership" is something that is so far removed from Dubya's personal tool bag that he has no idea what it is, and would not recognize it if he saw it. Tech, our "president" does not even understand your question.

[Superman]

Oh, and another thing I have said before, is that Dubya's approach to the immigration portion of our nation's security and economic needs will be thoroughly amusing throughout the course of his "presidency." That's because he will not and cannot do anything to reduce immigration, legal or illegal. It runs in stark contrast to his economic and political beliefs and agenda. And his promises. So, you will see him twist and squirm and pretend, but you will not see an effective immigration policy. That's deliberate on his part.

[Joeaksa]

And of course none of Clintons appointed "leaders" were done like this? Come on, give me a frigging break. This has been done for eons in public office.

The more important question is, will the liberals ever learn???

JoeA

[widebody911]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
And of course none of Clintons appointed "leaders" were done like this? Come on, give me a frigging break. This has been done for eons in public office.

The more important question is, will the liberals ever learn???

(*checks watch*)

Yup, right on schedule - blame it on Clinton and the liberals.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by widebody911
(*checks watch*)

Yup, right on schedule - blame it on Clinton and the liberals.

Not blaming it on Clinton at all. Read my post and it said "its been done for eons." Every public office holder has done this for years, not just W and not just Clinton.

For Tech to try to pawn this off as news or anything new is lunacy. Politicians have done this when they take office for years...

JoeA

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
And of course none of Clintons appointed "leaders" were done like this? Come on, give me a frigging break. This has been done for eons in public office.

The more important question is, will the liberals ever learn???

JoeA

Will neocons ever learn to read? Do a little research on the man Clinton put in charge of FEMA before knee-jerking.

There are offices that are perfect parking places for cronies, and there are offices that require some knowledge and experience.

Anyone happy with ICE being run by an inexperienced crony in the post-9/11 world is just not paying attention.

[RoninLB]

Dear Abby:
My husband is a liar and a cheat. He cheated on me from the beginning, and when I confront him, he denies everything. What's worse, everyone knows he cheats on me. It is so humiliating.

Also, since he lost his job four years ago he hasn't even looked for a new one. All he does is buy cigars, play golf, cruise around, and shoot the breeze with his pals, while I have to work to
pay the bills.

Since our daughter graduated from college he doesn't even pretend to like me and hints that I am a lesbian. What shoul I do?

Signed, Clueless

Dear Clueless:
Grow up and dump him. For Pete's sake, you don't need him anymore.
........You're a United States Senator from New York, act like it!

[Superman]

Again, I think it's because Dubya is either a genius whose methods are so far advanced that nobody can even comprehend his brilliant strategy...........either that or he's an incompetent idiot.

It's clearly one or the other.

[Dan Mc Intyre]

Originally posted by techweenie
Concerns over Myers, 36, were acute enough at a Senate hearing last week that lawmakers asked the nominee to detail during her testimony her postings and to account for her management experience. Sen. George V. Voinovich (R-Ohio) went so far as to tell Myers that her résumé indicates she is not qualified for the job.

Full story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/19/AR2005091901930.html

Sounds like even Bush's minions are beginning to distance themselves from his lousy decisions.

Dan

[bryanthompson]

pssssst. W isn't running for president in 2008. You are wasting your time. But keep it up, you sound retarded, and this means zero.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by bryanthompson
pssssst. W isn't running for president in 2008. You are wasting your time. But keep it up, you sound retarded, and this means zero.

Well, there's a highly intellectual argument.

I wonder how many neocons have the slightest concept of what they're in for in the next congressional elections...

[kach22i]

Originally posted by techweenie
Full story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/19/AR2005091901930.html

Myers was on her honeymoon and was not available to comment yesterday.

Who's getting boned more, her or the country?

[RoninLB]

well Super.. I kinda think he's on a relentless mission with some of his policies and doesn't care who or what stands in his way. That new scientific fact argument rule that he passed seems like an easy way to push aside scientific evidence that is not 100% factual. I forgot the new name of it?

He makes it a habit of paying people off in one way or another to keep them in line. He preaches economic and political right wing and spends more fed money than any lib ever did on social policies.

I'd bet his new Supreme Court selection is gonna make the Dem's nuts. That and setting up the Dem's Now for bad public PR by championing Roberts with his wide public appeal. This can be seen as maintaining Rep control in the next election.

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
The more important question is, will the liberals ever learn???

JoeA

oh.

I thought the more important question was whether Ms. Myers was qualified for this critical job.

thanks for clearing up the confusion

now back to your regularly-scheduled ideologies

[Crowbob]

All you guys kill me. Superman has as much a chance of convincing Legion that the libs (read democrats) are angels from heaven as Bryanthompson has of convincing Techweenie that conservatives (read republicans) are knights in shining armor.

As a note, Tech, do you remember when Hilllary trumped up charges against the manager of the White House Travel Office and booted him and his entire staff? Do you remember who they replaced that office with (that had been run flawlessly for 30 years)? TV producers (The Bloodworth-Thomases).

And Sup, if W is such a blithering, blundering fool, how can he keep wiping the bathrrom floors with liberal democrats? Uh oh. now I'm trapped in this useless shouting match.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Superman
Again, I think it's because Dubya is either a genius whose methods are so far advanced that nobody can even comprehend his brilliant strategy...........either that or he's an incompetent idiot.

It's clearly one or the other.

That's two terms mandate Dubya to you Sup Does that give you a clue?

[RoninLB]

Originally posted by JIMCRY

, if W is such a blithering, blundering fool, how can he keep wiping the bathrrom floors with liberal democrats?

One of his best acts imo is to pass his policies with low poll numbers. Making the mass-media and the libs feel good about the pols and beating them at their own game seems far from a "blundering fool" to me. Also some say he is literally a good poker player. If true that means he understands how to play the odds and how to set up the whales.

[legion]

Originally posted by Superman
Oh, and another thing I have said before, is that Dubya's approach to the immigration portion of our nation's security and economic needs will be thoroughly amusing throughout the course of his "presidency." That's because he will not and cannot do anything to reduce immigration, legal or illegal. It runs in stark contrast to his economic and political beliefs and agenda. And his promises. So, you will see him twist and squirm and pretend, but you will not see an effective immigration policy. That's deliberate on his part.

You are 100% right on this issue. He doesn't want to alienate the Mexican vote. I'm not saying that all Mexican immigrants favor illegal immigration, but that it would play badly with that particular group. I believe as former governor of Texas, he is acutely aware of the problem, but also understands that it is the cheap labor of illegals that drives the economy in certain areas of the country.

I've said it before, but our current approach to illegal immigration is as unworkable as our so-called "war on drugs". In both cases, the demand is here in this country, and the supply will find its way to the demand regardless of laws. In both cases, we should let the "supply" in and tax it. Further, I believe we have a much better shot of keeping out illegal "supply" when there is an adequate legal alternative. I'm not saying open the floodgates, I'm saying let some in legally, and keep all else out.