You're going out on a limb there with that assumption that Bush actually has a plan, or that what he's doing is part of any plan.

If GWB pulls out of Iraq, it's an admission of Failure, and that's the last thing he would do. (Failure is GWB's long-time mistress; he's been bangin' her for years, they have several love-children, everybody knows about, but you don't mention it in polite company.) It would also piss off his oil and defense buddies, who are just starting to wet their whistles in the Iraq trough, and to pull the bowl away from them now would have the same consequences as grabbing a pork chop away from a pit bull (sorry, American Staffordshire Terrier) The easiest thing for Bush to do is 'stay the course' and hope everything just sorts itself out, and in the meantime simply label anyone who disagrees with his billion-dollar-a-week boondoggle a 'terrorist sympathiser'

The moment he flipped over to the dark side and became a very vocal opponent of Bush for political expediency...Rockefeller's reversal demonstrates the factual bankruptcy of the Democrat party and their falsified protestations to appease their far left base.

I guess he's talking about Sen. Jay Rockefeller of the Foreign Relations Committee, who has been looking into whether the administration falsified WMD information. The Neo-Republican playbook says you have to knock him down before he even stands up to speak. Then knock him again and again, all the time avoiding discussion of the real issue.

If he had a plan, would you assume that it would be contingent on past knowledge, or ever-changing realties?...If he had a plan do you think he should announce it to Democrats, the media or the enemy (or all of the above, since they seem to be working hand-in-hand)?

Yep, Jay Rockefeller, the man whose memo leaked out of his office regarding the strategy for undermining the war effort in 2003.

He'd better announce it, he's already lost three-fourths of the American people.

RE Bush lying about WMDs.....I think that they believed what they wanted to believe...in spite of the facts making the intel suspect. It's a matter of when, could be becomes is....

The admin needed something to hang an invasions hat upon and WMDs was made to order to sell the Amercian people on. It was a selling point....

Well it's a mute point US troops are going to have to be in Iraq for the foreseeable future to keep a lid on the place.

THe WH has recognized it's failure in Iraq...simply one of the leading proponents of the Invasion.....Wolfie was promoted/canned and sent to the World Bank..LBJ did the same thing to McNamera when he wanted to get rid of him.

Did you even read what you responded to?...The exit-strategy changes and cannot be pre-planned; further, it is not wise to telegraph punches to your enemy.

What is our exit-strategy out of Kosovo?...The question of "what is our exit strategy" has about the same value as Democrats up-in-arms about campaign finance violations...None.

The American people will no longer follow this president on trust.

And, yes, one can plan for non-static situations. Presidents and generals and NFL coaches and middle managers and hot dog vendors do it all the time.

When I have a serious decision to make where I don't have a clear cut answer I'll pray to God...call that soul searching if you will..to come up with the best course of action. So when Bushy says he talks to God....I think that is an admirable trait. And it is very clear that Bushy does what he thinks is right, in spite of the political flak he will receive over it. Now if he were a Clinton he could be wishy washy and make everybody happy, you see Clinton never stuck with anything that was unpopoular in his life...Clinton has no set of values that grounds him to the earth he is like a feather that floats hither and yon wherever the wind blows.

Because the media and Democrats have manufactured, even orchestrated, distrust...Distrust unfounded in reality or honesty.

Democrats are more concerned with the re-acquisition of political power than they are about our success economically or militarily.

You guys have been urging me to give credit where credit is due. Okay, I'll freely admit that Dubya has fully earned every bit of the distrust he now gets from the American people.

Just to be clear on this point, I would defend, to my death if necessary, your right to worship your God. And I would fully expect the president to rely upon his faith in fulfilling the duties of his office. I would also expect him to utilize the vast resources available to him, and to make a judgment based upon all relevant information, presented by some of the best minds in the country. By all accounts, that part did not happen. Bush talked to God and made a decision. That's not faith, that's criminal negligence. You don't send tens of thousands of Americans and Iraqis to their deaths based solely upon a conversation with God.


And it is very clear that Bushy does what he thinks is right, in spite of the political flak he will receive over it. [/QUOTE]

You know, if I believed this, I would feel a lot better. Not that we wouldn't be in the same mess, but at least it would be good intentions that got us there. I don't begrudge you your beliefs, but all evidence suggests otherwise. Clinton was bad. This guy makes Bill look like a rank amateur. His most trusted ad visor is a pollster, with zero policy or government experience. That tells you about all you need to know.

Do you ever ask yourselves why the media has been silent regarding Kosovo, our exit-strategy ~6 years in deficit? Do you see Republicans mounting a full-court press crucifying Clinton for his concocted bombing of Serbian civilian targets?...Do you see the media asking Clinton why his administration was ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED Saddam had weapons and a link with al qaeda?...Do you see the media focusing at least a little more on what possibly Clinton could have been concealing when he had Sandy Berger STEAL documents from the National Archives?

The media has Democrat hypocrisy and criminality on the dark-side of the dimmer switch...On Republicans they have interrogation lighting and are asking questions like "when did you stop beating your wife."

Orwellian...You have the last party's golden boy making sure incriminating evidence saw the memory hole. Not to mention total media (overwhelmingly/monopolistically left) silence of the Clinton Administration's indictments of Osama suggesting a link between him and Saddam, and more than numerous attestations of "proofs" of WMD.

Why is the media silent regarding these facts?

They have an agenda, that is why.

Originally posted by widebody911
(Failure is GWB's long-time mistress; he's been bangin' her for years, they have several love-children, everybody knows about, but you don't mention it in polite company.)

Okay, what's the story on this? Why hasn't anybody jumped on this one, is it BS?

W was pretty much a bust at everything he tried, until politics.

Just tried to follow this topic for the first time thru 9 pages and still it's become the old "He said this" and "He did that".
The original thought is still,"Where do we go from here".
As a fly over resident, the electorate asks the same thing, this coming from a 2 time Bush voter.
The common denominator in the entir equasion is $$$.
Until, and unless this is removed, true representation will not happen. Plain and simple.
Guys, at this point , it isn't about to happen

And what a better way to keep the masses ignorant......keep them involved in bickering about who's "better."

hahahahaha

Untrue...Did great for the baseball team, did great for the country despite the Clinton recession.

The entire country was doing great under the so-called "Clinton recession." It wasn't doing so great however around Winter/Spring/Summer/Fall of 2002, which I would guess is known as the Bush recession.

That recession began pre-Bush, certainly pre-Bush Nov 2001 budget.

LMFAO

Ok Mul....you keep telling yourself there was this horrible Clinton "recession" and everything in 2002/2003 was all Clinton's fault.

OMG you crack me up. You're hopeless. It's rather sad actually.

At least the budget was fairly balanced that first year under Bush. What happened to that? Oh yeah, massive deficit spending the subsequent years.

Can someone up in Washington state check on my friend Jason B., (Mullholland), for me? I think he may be smoking crack.

According the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), the unofficial arbiter of business cycles, the recession began in March 2001 and ended in November 2001. NBER analyzes four data series from the U.S. Department of Commerce, the Federal Reserve Board, and other government sources. While previously NBER indicated the recession started in March 2001 (it has not formally revised that date), official revisions of the data indicate that the recession started earlier than that.

CrackPipe

Just because the media ignored it did not mean it wasnt true.

FYI...Bush's budget began in November of 2001.http://www.nationalreview.com/images...kin_5-5-04.gif

So what are Democrats/liberals/bush opponents to do? From their perspective, no-one (especially themselves) could make a bigger mess than already is there. Imagine the Democrats frustration that there is no accountability?

So the criticism keeps coming to try and get that accountability...


Reasons include:

- cost
- US deaths
- no false WMD link
- cost
- cost
- cost

I could probably add "cost" to that list too. $200m a day is pretty hard to stomach.

total media (overwhelmingly/monopolistically left)

No.

Folks here in Whatcom County tend to be tweakers and not crack-heads. Still leads to delusional mindstate so it may be worth a drive-by.

Dying to know what a tweaker is ... maybe I need to try it!

"tweaker" = a person whom uses methamphetamine (aka: crystal meth, crank, amp)

oh, think I'll pass

What W defenders won't mention, of course, is that 2/3 of the economy is based on consumer spending, and a very large proportion of the popuation saw Bush as a guy they'd barely trust with a barbecue grille, let alone the US economy.

In the Summer of '01, while dodging a lot of important work, W decided to 'give back' the surplus, $300 at a time (if you made over $44K). He was hoping the economy would perk up. Instead, it slid further as people realized it wasn't exactly a rebate, but more like a taxable advance on that years IRS refund.

If you look at what happened from W's inauguration through September 10 of '01, things were pretty ugly.