The Worst Administration Since Calgulia
 

I am really sick of Teddy K, Charles Schumer, Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Howard Dean, John Kerry, Billary Clinton, John Corzine, Nancy Pellosi and a host of other whining malcontent Democrats whose only purpose in life is self agrandizement.

If it weren't for these clowns and f their ridiculous political platform I would be tempted to vote Democratic in the face of the Bush administrations ineptitude.

Bushs only shining moment was when he went to NYC and said, "I hear you" The overthrow of the Taliban was a triumph...but all of that Good Will has been thrown away in a quagmire called Iraq which costs the US 1.5 Billion a week...which any fool would have known was going to become one based upon it's history. We are constantly reminded that the administration knows what it is doing based upon some secret information.. but where is that information, based upon outcome of events it sure seems like that information was wrong or didin't exist. The American people are being led down the garden path, but does the Bush Administration believe it's own fairy tales.

Holy cow, another person on this forum with a mind of his own instead of his party's. You must have removed your partisan chip from your head. I took mine out years ago and have seen clearly ever since. Of course, with clear vision also comes the depression from the realization that this elephant and donkey show is not much more than a waste of time and a disservice to the public. To hell with these Sociocrats and Religicans. But the damn public is so stupidly gullible anyway that sometimes I find that it barely deserves better. I think deep down they actually want it just like this. They know no better. Direct democracy would be real good right about now.

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We really need to start looking at the Libertarian platform. Their views are close to conservatism, something that's no longer existant in republicans today.

How long have the Dems been out of power?

People just keep blameing them for everything. The other day, Rush was babbeling about how the Dems are pretending that Bush never happened. I think the truth is that both sides are pretending that Bush never happened.


I like what Cool Chick had to say. At least the Libertarians havent given the entire country a "no lube a$$ fuch" at least not yet.

As tabs pointed out, they are to blame for failing to offer an alternative. Not even a good alternative--just one that a moderate voter can choose without sobbing with frustration and/or vomiting up part of his lunch.

Hate to say it (as a registered Republican), I agree with much of what Tabs and CC have to say.

Both parties have been leaning in a direction that many of us do not like. Its time for a change in both sides of the house but the problem is that there are others who vote who do not feel this way.

How are we going to get America to realize this?

JoeA

PS Ed, please put a paragraph or 10 in on long missives like this. I get about two sentenances in and give up on a post like this...

I agree. Both parties are inept. ...disgustingly inept. And both parties have only themselves to blame. Lack of talent at all levels, lack of vision at all levels, lack of cahones at ALL LEVELS.

Well I take that last point back. Bush does have cahones...but almost at the expense of everything else.

Agreed; they are no more than two sides of the same tarnished coin. I can't remember the last election in which I did not feel as though I was voting for the lesser of two evils. What a hell of a way to choose leaders. Pick the one that will do the least damage. Sometimes the damage done is so great I find myself wondering how bad the other guy would have been. Not how good, mind you; not what kind of great and inspired leadership he would have offered, but rather how bad he would have screwed it up compared to the current office holder.

Boy, bet you dug really deep to pull this one out Kach! Something new that none of us have ever heard before!

Suppose that you are going to say that you are part of the solution with your continuous posts about Bush being worse than the devil himself while Clinton was a saint?

Both sides need help. I volunteer to work during election times and at other times when I am available. We all need to get involved and make the current set of idiots realize that they just aint making it. Again, the problem is that there are a lot of voters who keep putting them in office year after year.

Again, I would love to see a term limit for EVERY GOVT OFFICE holder. Two or three terms max then get a real job. This should not be a gravy train where you can lounge until you retire.

JoeA

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Many voices of wisdom in this thread.

I liked Bush first time around. But now in his second term with Iraq and he appointing unqualified friends for very important posts, Supreme Court and FEMA notwithstanding, I just can't figure out what he's doing and whose interest he represents.

I pity tried-and-true Republicans as I feel they're not getting the shaft, but being abandoned by Bush.

And despite what the press says, they're as clueless as anyone else. They criticize Bush but have yet to analyze him and what he's doing, vis-a-vis give insight.

I mean honestly: what is his agenda?

Libertarian does seem like the only alternative at this point...

Bush has betrayed even the most fundamental tenets of conservatism. His spending record is obscene. And the mindless debacle in Iraq is depressing.

You have two choices in this country, vote democratic and watch the government get handed over to special interest groups or vote republican and have the Christian evangelicals run things. Both parties will spend your money at a staggering and wasteful pace. Nice choices, huh?

I'm so happy to read this, I could cry ...

Ok, let's all hug it out!

I'd say the government today is very much in the hands of special interest groups -- like oil companies, drug companies, etc.

With the Democrats, it'd just be different special interests.

The parallels go further: the Repubs have the Rapture Righties and the Dems have labor unions.

So pick your poison. It's PAC money that's created two parties beholden to powerful lobbies. That and 'soft' money that's laundered into RNC and DNC coffers.

Can an unfunded third party ever get significant votes? No. The rules prevent it. So your only viable option is to work from within the party of your choice.

Well, there is at least one kernel of corn in that pile of crap you wrote.

Bon App'etit

Well said.

Tech, this worries me as I agree with everything you say.

That said, funding is a problem so lets fund the party of our choice. Right now the Libertarian party fits the bill for me more than the two other choices. We either fund them and go that route or by the time masses defect to the third choice the Dem's and Repub's will realize whats happening and either change or die.

JoeA

PS Katch, at least part of it made sense, unlike yours. It did taste excellent by the way. Work to make things better and post solutions or ideas.

are we outlyers though? Does "the common man" feel the same way? More importantly, if they do will they do *anything* about it?

I think the tough thing in mobilizing the common man will be breaking the spell of the "two-party" brainwash. To most it would appear that while living in a society with representative government, you have to be affiliated with one of two parties to be taken seriously. A choice of two will ultimately lead to voting against a candidate or said previously "the lesser of two evils". As neither major party seems to be offering effective leadership the option left is to look elsewhwere.

I don't want to be cynical, but . . .

I voted for Badnarik on '04, but he got less then 1% of the vote in Cali, and wasn't even on the ballot in a few states. The Libertarian party will never be competitive unless it sells out to the special interests. That's where the big money is. The Democrats and Republicans sold out long ago, and reap the reward of Coprorate and Union donations.

Funny how we all rush to the defense of our chosen losers when the "other side" chastises them. Yup; they may be losers, but they are OUR losers. This thread has been refreshing in that it demonstrates that underneath all of that we all recognize the whole genre need help. But what to do?

Supporting third part candidates that are close to your political ideals does nothing more than hurt the major party candidate you would otherwise support. The the other guys' loser gets to win. Witness Perot and Nader.

Term limits have their appeal. That would certainly be a step in the right direction. Unfortunately, we are still forced to choose from the same pool of special interest big money backed candidates. The faces would just rotate more often.

Maybe the key is to remove the big money from the equation. But how?

One of the Australian guys said that part of politics was different over there. The funding that is.

I vote third party without any concern about "wasting" my vote. Screw them and screw everybody. . .

Politics is different in Australia. And in New Zealand the democracy is much more direct. And there are more parties. Sometimes I feel that our founding fathers should have had more faith in a more direct democracy. If they did, then things would have never gotten this way. The good part is that we are having this discussion. We are pissed and we feel cheated. Lately, I find people believing less and less in this two party deal. Something has to happen. I'm going to keep voting anything other than donkey or elephant without a care. I'd rather waste my vote that way. But I'll keep talking, keep raising hell and cursing the system. Maybe if enough of us start sending them to hell loudly, someone will wake up.

Maybe instead of so much hand-wringing on Roe vs Wade, the Supremese need to revisit Buckley vs. Valeo.

Bringing it back to the Caligula reference, I suspect this administration will stop short of appointing a horse as senator... but maybe not by much.

In Europe its totally different as well. You donate and the funds are in many cases doled out to everyone. Also the religious donations are done this way. You cannot donate to a specific church, the govt decides which church needs it and it goes there....

A third or fourth party is sure sounding better but it needs to be funded somehow. The sooner that people realize that the two parties we have now are so mired in BS and have to change, the better.

Joe A

Sadly Joe, we are the few who can see it that way. While we are here discussing political possibilities, there are a significant number of people out there who don't even know that the Grand Canyon is in our state. Much less how full of crap the two party system is. They don't know, don't care, and don't even have a clue as to how quickly some other industrialized countries are getting it together. Much less how others have had it together for centuries with far better voter satisfaction. All they care is about one stupid issue, whatever it is, and vote in the hopes that the whore he or she selected will take care of the issue.

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I voted Libertarian in the last election.

Me and 9000 other Arizonians. :rolleyes:

Until the rules are changed to give 3rd parties a real fighting chance, I suspect we diehards are SOL.

Wasn't that part of the goal of McCain Feingold? Perhaps if the goals and ideas of Libertarians made sense to the majority of Americans, they'd have a fighting chance.

Third parties can't even get on the ballot in many places. IMO it's wrong to be set up that way. They should be able to be on the ballot without jumping through hoops.

They can't even get involved in the presidential debates, etc.

Oops, someone else already said this......my bad.

I don't think a third-party vote is a wasted vote. What would happen if everyone "wasted" their vote?

The only chance the Libertarian party has is some insane wealthy benefactor like George Soros.

All parties should be on the ballot. But who is going to change the rules? Your congressman? Would be nice for us citizens to be able to petition for referendums to change these rules. It would make things a heck of o lot easier than whine like idiots to our congressmen in the futile expectation that someday our concerns will be looked at. But this is all part of politics by proxy. It's a republic, they say. Thanks for reminding me, I say. Remind me about triple taxation while you are at it. Too bad our founding fathers trusted future politicians more than the people.

In a perfect world, maybe something else could happen. A fiscal conservative masquerading as your classic Robin Hoodlum democrat runs for president and wins. Then he switches to a social liberal and fiscal conservative while in office. Or a rabidly secular republican pretending to consult the lord on everything runs and wins. Then, of course, he changes into a laissez-faire, objectivist capitalist who lives and lets live so long as government lays their hands off our wallets. But it's wishful thinking.

I love it when people talk about 'the ideals of most americans'.

Please.

*Most* people are content to read ****ing People Magazine, hit the mall, live in a mcmansion, eat at TGI Fridays, drive an SUV and hope to get in 18 holes once a week.

Regardless of what side you are on, there are only a handful of us who care about civics beyond personal identity politics.

There are only a handful of us who READ anything other than magazines or spy/war/dan brown/chic lit books, for chrissakes.

There are only a handful of us who give 2 ****s about what we eat and how we take care of our bodies.

There are staggeringly few of us who care at all about anyone other than ourselves.

I don't think the average joe has very well formed opinions on ANYTHING.

Dan, unfortunately you are quite correct. And our elected officials know this all to well. They milk it for all they can. Sadly, our country has become McDonald's. Not the best, but it outsells everyone. Even though there are better burger joints, people choose McDonald's. It's the easy choice. It's the one they are familiar with. The most famous one. The less educated or younger a person is, the more that person is interested in consumption there. The customer is too stupid, does not care, or is too scared to ask what is really in the food. They will keep going and swallowing because it's all designed to taste good. Even though in the end, it isn't good. In the back of your mind you know something doesn't jive, but you eat it anyway. The less educated you are, the more you consume there, the more you enjoy, and the less you ask. And just like McDonald's, this place has become a far cry from what the original place was back in the day.

Agree with this within reason. There are cases where they allow everyone on the ballot and you end up with 50-100 people there, which confuses some voters.

Look at the recent recall election in Cali where there were candidates from a stripper to a midget, and very few of them were doing it for much more than publicity.

JoeA