There is going to be a hurricane next year

[HardDrive]

That right. No question. There will be a hurricane.

So who's fault it it when there is no water for your family?

Who's fault is it that there is no food for your family?

Wilma rolled around in the Caribean for a week before it hit Florida. So, its THE GOVERNMENTS fault that there are no resources available?

Pisses me off......how about people taking responsibility for themselves and their family?

Blame, blame, blame.......

At what point did personal responsibility up and die in this country?

[AFJuvat]

About the time the government stepped in and started telling people how to live their lives. Once the bulk of the masses got used to suckling at the government teat, it is hard to let go I guess.

Granted some people really do need the assistance, but coming to expect it in lieu of personal responsibility is just wrong.

We've become a society that is, overall, lazy. Nothing is anyone's fault anymore. "it wasn't me, it was the booze, drugs, etc" "It's not my fault, I had a bad childhood".

You've all heard the stories..

Hell, we are so lazy, we turn a blind eye to illegal immigration because they will do the jobs that need to be done, but nobody wants to do. Even the conservatives trot this out from time to time as justification.

Hell, 65% of my neighborhood doesn't even cut their own grass.

For some interesting reading, you can draw some chilling parallels from "The rise and fall of the roman empire" Everything has become too easy, and we have become too soft.

For the last two generations, we have preached to our kids to go to college. Now we have a ton of college graduates, with limited numbers of jobs. There is no loyalty to the employer or the employee because you are easily replaced for less money.

We innovate new technologies, but not like we used to, and what we do create, we build it out of country, because it is cheaper.

Who is going to fix all of these college graduate's cars, lights, etc? The blue collar worker is looked down upon as some schmuck who couldn't cut it in college.

Now we have a glut of college educated people who see any job that does not involve an air conditioned office as beneith them, a limited number of people aside from illegals that are willing to do the dirty work.

This can't lead to anywhere but disaster

Turning back to the hurricane....

Personally, I keep two large rubbermaid containers. In those containers is everything that could not be replaced for any amount of money - photos, heirlooms, etc.

Everything else is insured - that is why I pay for insurance.
That is why I have a generator, empty gallon containers to fill with water, extra propane cylinders, etc. That is why I board up the house, That is why when the government says "evacuate" I leave ASAP.

AFJ
"4 hurricanes, 5 named storms in 13 months, not taking a cent of government money"

"BA and two AA degrees hanging in the bathroom"

[pwd72s]

Hard...AMEN! As you know, we have "blows" up here in the Northwest, ice storms as well...these bring pretty frequent power outages every winter with limbs falling on power lines, etc. When that happens, my well pump quits, and I no longer have forced air heat. Usually lasts, at longest, 10 days or so. So, a shelf or two of the freezer is full of frozen H20 in milk cartons...as long as we don't open it, the food inside is good for 8-10 days. We have enough water stored for flushing toilets & drinking. Probably more than enough. Souwesters that are power killers usually bring lots of rain water, easily collected from downspouts for toilet flushing. For entertainment, transistor radios & a good supply of batteries. For light, Aladdin kerosene lanterns put out the light of a 60W. bulb. For heat? A wood stove and several cords stashed in the woodshed just for such emergencies. For cooking? Propane BBQ and at least one full 5 gallon bottle. H20 warmed on the wood stove top works well for sponge baths. It's not fun to be without power for a week or two...but country folks know how to survive without FEMA aid...

[singpilot]

You mean there is going to be another hurricane in the southeast?

Holy Sheet.

That IS going to be news to some people down there.

[singpilot]

You mean there is going to be another hurricane in the southeast?

Holy Sheet.

That IS going to be news to some people down there.

[ErVikingo]

I prepared since we had sooo much time to do it. Funny to hear people complaining that FEMA ran out of water or ice and "were slow to respond" less than 36 hours after a major hit.

Politics politics. I guess if their reasoning applies, we (the ones who prepared) should be reimbursed for our own expenses. Heck everyone else expects the government to pay (and do) their prep duties.

I've seen the response teams, the water and ice lines, the tarp lines and I must say, I'm proud to be an American and a Floridian.

Thanks much to all concerned with the relief efforts (Natl Guard, Police, FEMA, Corp of Engineers, City, County, State and Federal Govmnts, ...).

You think its hard waiting in line for ice and water. Think about those who left their families behind to serve you and deal with every emotional outburst.

be grateful, very grateful........

[Jay H]

Did anyone read the article in Car and Driver about the gentleman and his wife that road out Katrina in their Mississippi house that was 60 or 90 yards from the coast? It was well written and I found it very interesting. But, he was lamenting about loosing some valuable memorabilia. I just couldn't get over the fact that this monster storm was bearing down on him and he didn't have the sense to pack up some of these smaller items he was whining about losing.

He also was whining about loosing some furniture and such as well. My God, he made it out alive...why was he worried about losing material goods? How spoiled is this person? I do not know him or of him, so my assessment might be wrong. I have not been through a hurricane, but these sure seem to me to be very serious weather events that need respect. I do give this writer credit for having batteries, food and water ready to go to live on for days. I do wish him well though as he deals with that disaster.

We do not have such storms in my area, but have plenty of tornados. I take every warning seriously and have my unreplaceable items in waterproof and fire proof safes in the basement along with the necessary battery powered equipment ready to go. We watch the weather carefully when this type of weather threatens and aren't afraid to seek shelter immediately. Tornados happen within minutes and my family is ready to react quickly should one threaten. There probably are many people that do not have the means to help themselves, but it also seems to me that some of these more able people within the hurricane's path have days to react...

Jay
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[austin552]

[Jims5543]

People were in line for ice and water 15 hours after the storm passed. WTF!!

If you are incapable of filling a bunch of 2 litre bottles with water and freezing them during the 1 week warning you had to prepare for this storm you deserve to sit in a line for 12 hours for 1 bag of ice.

I had no power for 10 days and 12 days respctively in Sept. 2004. I did not have to get in a line for anyhting. Amazingly, 3 days after a storm you can usually go buy ice, water and provisions at the local grocery store.

I heard some lady on the radio yesterday crying she needed milk for her kids and milk does not keep without refridgeration. There is this neat product called Parmilat. It is milk that can be stored at room tempurature for months. There is powdered milk. Please! these people are like my neighbor, they are victims looking for their next problem.

Those that need gas? They are running generators 24 hours a day. Total waste of gas. We ran ours 8 hours a day. I only used 5 gallons in 2 days. While they are using 20 gallons over the same period. Its a matter of using your brain and thinking about conserving, making sacrifices.

I am proud of the officials that endure the backlash of the media and I am embarressed by the pathetic people that cannot help themselves.

[RoninLB]

What

I'm hearing noises from people complaining about subsidizing my life style?

[legion]

Sadly, the real solution is to get rid of the Federal Flood Insurance program and let insurance companies charge what it actually costs to rebuild the same house year after year.

[RoninLB]

Originally posted by legion
Sadly, the real solution is to get rid of the Federal Flood Insurance program and let insurance companies charge what it actually costs to rebuild the same house year after year.

I posted that awhile ago. My area doesn't even require hurricane proofing new construction. Bear in mind I literally live on a sandbar. If I dig 5' under street level I'll have brackish water at high tide as it's beach sand.

[M.D. Holloway]

its just stuff...

[Neilk]

Well we finally heard something intelligent from Bush!

Jeb said "People had ample time to prepare. It isn't that hard to get 72 hours' worth of food and water," repeating the advice that officials had given days before Wilma hit.

Gee, what a novel concept, preparation!?!

[vash]

well said, guys. i need to prep better for a ground shaker.

is there a generator that can run on propane? earthquake folks dont have the luxury of a weeks notice. that would suck to keep rotating fresh fuel periodically. i guess a couple of industrial sized propane tanks could be safely stored indefinately.

[gaijindabe]

Actually, there might not be one next year. Just a probability. And many more in the years to come:

".... in global terms, the number of tropicals had not shown any significant increase in the past five years. “However, for the Atlantic basin we have seen an increase in the number of strong hurricanes since 1995. A record 33 systems of hurricane intensity formed in the five seasons spanning 1995 to 1999. “While the jury remains out on the impact of global warming on tropical cyclones, we do see a quasi-cyclic multi-decade regime that alternates between active and quiet phases for major Atlantic hurricanes on the scale of 25-40 years each. “It now seems likely that the extreme activity during the past 10 years dating back to 1995 marks the start of another active period that may last a total of 25-40 years.”

[pbs911]

I thought all you needed for survival are maps to the homes of Mormans in the area and a firearm?

Jk

[MikeCT]

Originally posted by AFJuvat



For some interesting reading, you can draw some chilling parallels from "The rise and fall of the roman empire" Everything has become too easy, and we have become too soft.

Any book recommendations?

[M.D. Holloway]

"The Axioms of Human Condition" by Michael Holloway. TBP Spring 2006

[RoninLB]

Originally posted by gaijindabe
Actually, there might not be one next year. Just a probability. And many more in the years to come:

Dr Grey, the NOAA brain that developed the orig programing for hurricanes says,

The Atlantic and Pacific varies in which one is warmest. The cycle may last 20-40yrs.

The actual number is not increasing in the Atlantic. It's only blowing closer to the coast. This may last 20-40yrs. We never hear about past hurricanes that stay off shore.

The current warmer Atlantic than Pacific is causing more intense storms in the Atlantic.

On another note the "Long Island Express" from around 1938 moved homes off it's foundations. It was below a cat 4.. and my town is on a barrier beach about 5-8' above mean high tide.

but WTF the gov't is my friend. They offer Flood Ins which keeps RE increases way up. They did give a neighbor a hard time 20yrs ago because their lower floor got remodeled 3x in one season for big bucks each time.