handgun sales in san fran?

[vash]

i cannot believe measure H passed! now all handguns need to be turned in by april. i cant see it happening, and i believe someone already filed a lawsuit. i can see this costing the city lots of $$ to figure out. genius!

i only live nearby, so my two friends already told me, if this goes forward, i will get both of their SIGS.

oh, sorry Arnold, for the beatdown. back to acting for you.

[widebody911]

I don't see this passing constitutional muster.

[legion]

I can see this going to the SC. The 9th Circuit doesn't care about the second ammendment, so it will get upheld by them.

[RickM]

Originally posted by widebody911
I don't see this passing constitutional muster.

Isn't this the case in NYC?

[pbs911]

I'm sure all the criminals will comply. And people thought gun registration was merely for background checks. Yes right. It is specifically so the government knows which homes contain guns. If someone came for my guns I would hand them over one round at a time.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by pbs911
I'm sure all the criminals will comply. And people thought gun registration was merely for background checks. Yes right. It is specifically so the government knows which homes contain guns. If someone came for my guns I would hand them over one round at a time.

This is a hill worth dying on for you and I understand,

But

But some planned parenthood lacky can shove his fist in your 13 year old daughters vagina without your knowledge and you don't mind?

I can honestly say I don't understand Cali

[Jeff Higgins]

Why do liberals support these measures? San Fransisco is undeniably a very liberal town. Supporting just about every other personal liberty known to man (and plenty I'm sure the rest of us have never heard of), they have now voted to effectively take one of the most fundemental away - the right, or more accurately, the ability, to defend oneself. Simply incredible.

[MichiganMat]

Its all peace, love, and understanding out here in SF, you don't need a gun for anything. Unless you live near HuntersPoint, then you need a couple of guns. You guys and your wing-nut scenarios:

"You come home and somebody is raping your wife..."

C'mon, get real. My coworker likes to use that one to justify all his firepower. The dude lives in the most boring set of McMansions I've ever seen, gimmie a break. Just because you live in crazy-land where everybody is out to get you doesn't mean we do too. Get some help, would ya?

[dhoward]

Originally posted by lendaddy
This is a hill worth dying on for you and I understand,

But

But some planned parenthood lacky can shove his fist in your 13 year old daughters vagina without your knowledge and you don't mind?
...Snipped

Bit of an overstatement, don't you think?

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by dhoward
Bit of an overstatement, don't you think?

Graphic for effect, but dead honest.

I seriously don't get you guys. But hey, I live way over here

[pbs911]

I just don't get it. Why in the world do the people of San Francisco think it is permissible for the government to own firearms and not the people.? Do they honestly beleive criminals will turn over their weapons. What a bunch of fricken morons! Do these people have any idea of why the Constitution included the 2nd amendment. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves. The voting people of San Fransico have done our country a grave injustice. The voting people of San Francisco have no idea of the meaning of Liberty or Freedom.

[lendaddy]

Can they really make you hand over your weapons? Seems to me there is (at the very least) a proper compensation/personal property defense here.

[competentone]

This San Fransisco law won't hold:

California Government Code 53071

It is the intention of the Legislature to occupy the whole field of regulation of the registration or licensing of commercially manufactured firearms as encompassed by the provisions of the Penal Code, and such provisions shall be exclusive of all local regulations, relating to registration or licensing of commercially manufactured firearms, by any political subdivision as defined in Section 1721 of the Labor Code.


Not only does the law demonstrate how "dumb" some people are in San Fransisco, it also demonstrates their "contempt" for the established state law.

[pbs911]

This is a hill worth dying on for you and I understand,

But

But some planned parenthood lacky can shove his fist in your 13 year old daughters vagina without your knowledge and you don't mind?

I can honestly say I don't understand Cali

I'm with you. I don't understand Ca myself. It has changed so much over the past decades.

But both issues you address are Constitutional Freedoms protecting the individual. To that extent these two issues are the same. My suport is for enforcing the Constitutional Liberties, Rights and Freedoms granted to the people of this country. It is actually my job. I may not like them, but I look at the Constitutional Rrights on an analytical basis. IMO they cannot, and should not, be compromised. Period. Guns and abortions are two issues that have been decided. Starie decises. Attempts to restrict, limit or makeexceptions merely infringe on the freedoms and Liberties of the people.

If you flip this argument it means that an American should not be permitted to defend themselves with like force force when the bad guy shoves a gun in their face.

It also means that as a "concerned" parent, you have no knowledge of the guys shoving their prick in your 13 year old daughters vagina.

[jyl]

The SF handgun ban (Prop H) is very likely to be invalidated, based on preemption by state law. The mayor of SF has said as much (he didn't propose Prop H, it was the city council). I'm disappointed in the vote, but in one way I'm actually sort of encouraged that the vote was less than overwhelming in SF, where far fewer than 42% of the voters are actually gun owners.

Maybe I'm just taking a glass half-full view, but it suggests that the chances of a state-wide ban are low.

P.S.: If the ban survivies, I can see the opportunity for secure handgun storage in the communities immediately bordering SF, e.g at a gun store. After all, few SF handgun owners are actually shooting them in SF, given the absence of shooting ranges, so they are traveling to adjacent communities to shoot anyway. And I'll bet the sales of shotguns goes up . . .

[ckissick]

SF also voted to prohibit military recruiters from college campuses. Many liberals express outrage that the majority of soldiers, etc. are from the "underprivileged" class, and that the military should try to recruit kids from middle and higher class backgrounds. Seems to me that college recruiting would be a good way to attract the higher classes, as they are more apt to go to college. Am I the only one to see a lack of logic here?

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by pbs911
I'm with you. I don't understand Ca myself. It has changed so much over the past decades.

But both issues you address are Constitutional Freedoms protecting the individual. To that extent these two issues are the same. My suport is for enforcing the Constitutional Liberties, Rights and Freedoms granted to the people of this country. It is actually my job. I may not like them, but I look at the Constitutional Rrights on an analytical basis. IMO they cannot, and should not, be compromised. Period. Guns and abortions are two issues that have been decided. Starie decises. Attempts to restrict, limit or makeexceptions merely infringe on the freedoms and Liberties of the people.

If you flip this argument it means that an American should not be permitted to defend themselves with like force force when the bad guy shoves a gun in their face.

It also means that as a "concerned" parent, you have no knowledge of the guys shoving their prick in your 13 year old daughters vagina.

Ok, I get what you're saying but I was not aware that we extended these rights to minor children. Just as we don't allow them to enter into contracts (liberty, pursuit of happiness) or consent to sex (same) or even protect them from searches (parents and schools do it all the time). This makes it hard for me to believe a minor child is Constitutionally protected via her "right to Liberty" from mom and dad knowing she's having this procedure. Seems a HUGE stretch.

And I kill the guy with the prick

[concentric]

Originally posted by jyl
The SF handgun ban (Prop H) is very likely to be invalidated, based on preemption by state law. The mayor of SF has said as much (he didn't propose Prop H, it was the city council). I'm disappointed in the vote, but in one way I'm actually sort of encouraged that the vote was less than overwhelming in SF, where far fewer than 42% of the voters are actually gun owners.

I'd be curious to see their opinion after the next big quake.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by lendaddy


And I kill the guy with the prick

well, you'd have to use a knife since they just took your gun away...

[Tobra]

I thought it banned sales of guns and ammo, not possession. SF does not seem to have much interest in whether they are violating state or federal laws, as evidenced by this, and pretty boy poseur Gavin Newsome's ploy to have same sex marriages as a protest of a law he claimed he did not agree with. I should try this next April 15th, but I am a Republican, so they would just start confiscating stuff.

Yeah, California has become pretty ****ed up.