You obviously haven't worked with some of the same idiots that I have over the years :)

Everything has a REASON even if it isn't rational.

Because something can't be duplicated each and everytime under lab conditions doesn't mean it itsn't real...first the parameters of science are 2 small. One maybe observing an event whose repetition maybe over hugh amounts of time...and like lightening may not strike twice in the same place...but lightening exists..

I don't want this to turn into a physics/philosophy debate, but the more we learn about the way the universe actually works, the less 'rational' it seems. Einstein was the last great classical physicist - it was his opinion that God did not 'play dice' as he said. He spend most of his efforts the last 40 years of his life trying to come up with evidence to support this opinion and found none that held up under scrutiny.

Now, I'm not saying this to promote esp, ghosts, telekinesis or anything else 'supernatural.' In fact, I agree with you - I think the universe follows its own rules. Whether or not we will every fully understand those rules is a different issue. And since we're aware that we don't understand all the rules, who's to say that things that are unexplianable today won't fit into a nice future theoretical framework?

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke

If something can't be duplicated each and every time under lab conditions, then something is wrong. Just ask the cold fusion guys.

Lightning strikes the same place all the time. I don't understand your point.

I think the point I am trying to make is that if someone claims to be psychic, but can't reproduce any of their psychic abilities under controlled circumstances, then I'm going to be skeptical of their claim. So far, no one has been able to reproduce their claims, so I remain skeptical.

Mike

Absolutely correct... I should have said that EVERYTHING that has ever happened in the history of the universe can --- or will eventually --- be explained scientifically and rationally.

Perhaps one can't call in their order like they can at McDonalds...

I just think that man has gotten away from using all his senses and now is relying on science....which I think is a conceit..because science leaves alot to be desired. One hundered years form today if man is lucky he will look back and say what a crude bunch witch doctors scientists were back then...

Except that Man is not a Rational Being....

I have allready said everything has a reason even if it is not a rational one.

When "everything" gets explained does that mean we become God...all knowing....and is that the end of history...because nothing is left to be discovered...there is only a finite amount of "stuff" out there..

Fair enough. But...it would be neat for someone (one of these fortune teller types, or "paranormals" that supposedly help police find missing bodies, etc.) to actually make a specific, unambiguous prediction and see if it comes true. No one ever does that. They come out of the woodwork after the fact and say they "saw it coming". Where were all these psychics on September 10, 2001?

Mike

Back in the 8th Grade I was talking to a friend over lunch and said , "That guy in Memphis is going to get shot." refering to MLK. That was the day Martin Luther King got shot in Memphis.

I could just see it coming thats all....

I believe. In fact it has happened to me. One time, in New Orleans, down on Bourbon Street, I went up to this woman I had never met before and handed her $40 and said "You are going to have sex with me." And I was right! Unfortunately this supernatural ability never seems to work with my wife.

I worked with the same guy in construction for ten years and toward the end of those years I would hand him tools or materials he needed before he would say a word, freaked him out a little bit.
I also have a musician friend that I have been playing with for about the same time and when we are in the groove we can start, stop, change rhythm without looking or saying anything to each other.

Probably more experience and intuition than clairvoyance though.

I have allready given the Ratrional explaination..no supernatural mystical BS here...If one pays attention to ones FEELINGS and believes that the Imagination is an accurate indicator of Reality...well then Daddy your tapped into what your forefathers in the Trees and Caves knew...

Sorry, but that is unfair. Scientists are well aware of their limitations given today's understanding of issues. And, no, there is not a finite amount of stuff out there. Another million years of our evolution will still not be enough to know it all. Cmon, tabs, open your mind a bit.

Many Many Moons Ago....A close family member was comatose in the final stages before death and I was with him. I started feeling, "I failed him, I failed him." it was more intellectual than emotional...I sat down by his bedside and picked up his hand, clsoed my eyes and thought, "God, I can't talk to him anymore" and like pulling back the reigns on a horse said to myself, "I don't feel like I failed him." I looked up at him and said, "You didin't fail me, go with God." He let out a Breath and was gone....What I said released him, he had felt that by dieing he was letting me down.

I am somewhat skepical concerning telepathy but I do believe that various signals or "tells" are made often.

As for mumbling, I have slept with my wife for 11+ years now. She is a very lite sleeper. She complained enough about my snoring to the point I had my Uvula cut out (now I don't make a peep!). She can be sawing logs and if I come into bed she wakes up immediately no matter how quit I am. If I ever talked in my sleep or mumbled she would kick me or dig her toe nails into my shins (always special). She has never mentioned any noctural verbalizations. I was awake, comfortable, conscience and not particularly sleepy when this occured.

He doesn't show any particular talent for this with anyone else nor have I. My wife often tells me that him and I are too much alike in how we think.

As for the convergence of mystism and the new physics, its a real deal but not the way many people think. The problem is in how we make sense of reality. We are really victms of industry and technology. It has influenced our preception of reality. We think that the "creator" or God is a builder and that reality is a series building events. That there is a master technician. Things are added on to other things. This is really pretty Western thinking. Tradional Eastern (thousands of years old) thinking is the opposite - the whole gets divided not unlike cellular division. In the begining all was one and one was all, things started to break loose but the esseance of the whole can be found in every piece of each part. Look at quantum physics and this is supported.

I didin't use the word "EVERYTHING" Everything implies there is nothing left to find out....and that impleis finite...and all knowing....

So the universe is infinite? If so, in an infinite universe shouldn't there be infinite possbilities?

All our 5 senses pick up information...both on a conscience and subconscience level. man at one time when in nature was more consiceienc of this processing for his own survival. But the subconscience processing still goes on and become s conscience through our imagination. An image will pop up in your mind or you will have a feeling about something, and those feeling are generally pretty accurate. and should be paid more attention to.