Who will the tickets be in 2008??

[fintstone]

Originally posted by aways
Gingrich would be great, but unfortunately the Dems did a good job turing him into "satan incarnate" in the 90's. Negatives too high...

As for Lieberman... The left wing of the Democratic party has just about decided to throw him out of the party. Lieberman is NOT popular with the Michael Moore/Howard Dean/Nancy Pelosi wing that has taken control. It might be a smart move, however, for Hillary to pick him as VP to pick up swing voters, but it will piss off the leftists and may hurt Dem turnout in the general election. That's the risk.

Gingrich is a smart guy and he has waited long enough for things to cool off...and for even the world's biggest fools to see that much of his problem was that he was very effective and dangerous to liberals. They perfected their character assassination techniques on him....The fact that he is much smarter/better educated than any possible liberal candidate will destroy them in an possible debate.

As for Hillary...It will not matter after the war. The press will report that all the Dems supported it and we won due to their efforts. All will be forgiven as the libs seek the pairing that can beat the evil Republicans. They would side with Satan (or Saddam) to beat the conservatives. The Pelosi/Dean/Moore wackos will be discounted.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by aways
From a communist web-site I'm sure you trust...

Poll: Edwards has fewest 'haters'; Gore, Kerry, Hillary most
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/22/44619/874

So Hillary has a 13% negative? Is that what you're now claiming?

And please show how DailyKOS is "communist."

[aways]

Originally posted by techweenie
Your 'side' sure talks about drugs alot. Are you projecting? I don't smoke...anything.

1. McCain campaigned in favor of the Bush/Cheney ticket. Did you miss that?

2. What relevance is independent thought if nobody knows about it? Wow. Maybe the dumbest comment, ever. We're talking politics here, not the psychic friends network.

3. Too loony for serious comment.

4. Show me the survey.

0) It was a joke, sorry if I offended you....

1) So what?

2) Yours is the dumb comment. Who said "nobody" knows about it? I said that Rice is not in a position to PUBLICLY criticize the president over any disagreements on policy they may have. I'm sure she exhibits "independent thought" in private consultation with the pres. Why your condescending assumption about her? Could it be ...?

3) You mean too true to easily refute?

4) I did. I will grant you that Hillary's negatives have been improving recently, as she looks increasingly sane, ralative to a party that is being taken over by lunatics like Dean and Pelosi...

[Nathans_Dad]

Just can't see a President named NEWT.

[aways]

Originally posted by techweenie
So Hillary has a 13% negative? Is that what you're now claiming?

And please show how DailyKOS is "communist."

Read the article carefully. The 13% negative is among likely Democrat primary voters...
I guess that would put her in the area of 50% negative for the general election...

[techweenie]

Originally posted by aways
Read the article carefully. The 13% negative is among likely Democrat primary voters...
I guess that would put her in the area of 50% negative for the general election...

Well, the only true test is with straw ballots, and I know there are figures out there showing various combinations of Ds vs Rs. And Hillary actually looks much stronger than I'd have expected. I'll see if I can find a link.

[Nathans_Dad]

http://www.pollingreport.com/2008.htm

Tons of poll data there...looks like Clinton will have a tough time UNLESS McCain runs as a 3rd candidate. Then he will "Ross Perot" whoever the Rep candidate is...

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
http://www.pollingreport.com/2008.htm

Tons of poll data there...looks like Clinton will have a tough time UNLESS McCain runs as a 3rd candidate. Then he will "Ross Perot" whoever the Rep candidate is...

Cool. thanks for posting a meaty link. Lots of interesting stuff, but there have been polls with multiple "test parings" of P/VP candidates that give overall preference results.

McCain proved in the last go-round that he's a 'company man' by supporting the candidate whose tactics slimed him in the primaries. He won't go third party. But he will campaign for whoever is nominated.

Remember, in most presidential campaigns, the early frontrunner becomes the first target and is often taken out because of it.

As a registered Democrat, my dream candidate would be Cheney, followed by Delay, Frist, Gingrich, Giuliani, Jeb... all people with rotting skeletons in their closets. But I suspect, some fresh-faced newcomer (a la GW) will pop up to save the day for the Republicans. Some in the party see the '08 candidate as a sacrificial token, considering how strongly the country is tilting away from Bushism.

[Nathans_Dad]

If they nominate Cheney I may just have to abstain...I think I would go into shock if my hand neared Hillary's name on the ballot...

[slakjaw]

Hagel is a possibility.

I think Hillary will be a VP not the prez though.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by techweenie
...As a registered Democrat, my dream candidate would be Cheney, followed by Delay, Frist, Gingrich, Giuliani, Jeb...

Mine too!

[Rick Lee]

Here's who is 100% running.

1) Bill Frist - I have a very close friend who quit a great job to run Frist's direct mail shop about a year ago. Saw Frist speak at the Press Club on Thurs. and it was a presidential speech.

2) Newt Gingrich - Newt has his own "strategic communications" shop in DC now and makes a bundle as a consultant. Also saw him speak at the Press Club a few mos. ago and it too was a presidential speech. House was packed! Subject was Medicare/Medicaid - not the most exciting topic - and I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. A super performance.

3) George Allen - He's got a direct mail shop going already too.

4) Rudy Giuliani - I used to write some of his direct mail before he dropped out of the Senate race against Hillary. I don't know anyone in his inner circle anymore, but I think he's gearing up.

5) Mark Warner - The first thing Warner did after helping Tim Kaine get elected gov. of VA a few weeks ago was book a flight to NH.

6) Evan Bayh - He's all but announced.

As for McCain and the RNC, no one will believe this, but the RNC has NOTHING to do with the primary/nomination process. They are prohibited by law from lifting a finger on any candidate's behalf. I know from my time working there McCain is about as popular as Hillary Clinton in that building. Sure, he was a good soldier in 2004 and strongly endorsed Bush, but it wasn't enough to win back the folks who hate him with a passion.

During the 2000 Republican primary in VA, while standing in line to vote, the poll workers were making people sign promisory notes that they would only vote in ONE primary. Half the folks in line went home, obviously Dems who had only come to vote for McCain to hurt Bush. McCain cannot turn out the GOP base.

[Rick Lee]

That said, I'm sure Hillary will run, but I'm not sure she can win the nomination. Sound crazy? Well, Dems are very self-destructive and Hillary has a lot of talented people on her team. But she will never ever bring one swing voter, let alone one Republican, into her fold. Since 40% of Americans vote Dem and 40% vote GOP no matter who the parties put up there, the key is the 20% swing voters. Hillary will not get them.

Perhaps she can help herself by picking Mark Warner or Evan Bayh as a running mate, but she'd have to win the nomination first. Bill Richardson seems to me like the kind of guy who could peel away swing voters and Republicans, especially if Republicans nominate a weak candidate.

I can't understand how people would fall for it, but Hillary has been on quite the reinvention campaign recently. She keeps her distance from the kinds of statements John Murtha and Howard Dean rattle off. She wisely got herself on the Senate Armed Svc. Comm. so she'd have a platform from which to shine her nat. sec. credentials. You can foold some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time.....but.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
During the 2000 Republican primary in VA, while standing in line to vote, the poll workers were making people sign promisory notes that they would only vote in ONE primary. Half the folks in line went home, obviously Dems who had only come to vote for McCain to hurt Bush. McCain cannot turn out the GOP base.

This does not sound legal.

Sounds like when the Republicans went into mostly black voter lines dressed in black suits and dark sun glasses asking to see ID and saying if child support payments were not up to date, and if there were outstanding parking tickets you would not be allowed to vote and could be arrested on sight. Great fun? Illegal as all heck.

Are you even using the correct word Rick Lee?

promissory note
http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?typed=promissory+note&type=1&submit1.x=75&submit1.y=9&submit1=Look+up

n. a written promise by a person (variously called maker, obligor, payor, promisor) to pay a specific amount of money (called "principal") to another (payee, obligee, promisee), usually to include a specified amount of interest on the unpaid principal amount (what he/she owes). The specified time of payment may be written as: a) whenever there is a demand, b) on a specific date, c) in installments with or without the interest included in each installment, d) installments with a final larger amount (balloon payment). A promissory note may contain other terms such as the right of the promisee to order payment be made to another person, penalties for late payments, a provision for attorney's fees and costs if there is a legal action to collect, the right to collect payment in full if the note is secured by real property and the property is sold ("due on sale" clause), and whether the note is secured by a mortgage or deed of trust or a financing statement (a filed security agreement for personal collateral called UCC-1). The promissory note is usually held by the party to whom the money is owed. There are legal limitations to the amount of interest which may be charged. Charging a rate in excess of the legal limit is called "usury," and this excess is legally uncollectible. When the amount due on the note, including interest and penalties (if any), is paid, the note must be cancelled and surrendered to the person(s) who signed it. A promissory note need only be signed and does not require an acknowledgement before a notary public to be valid.

[Rick Lee]

Ok, it wasn't a promisory note per se. But it was a little sheet of paper promising not to vote in any other primary. AFAIK, the law in VA says you can only vote in one primary, but is probably not rigidly enforced. Since it was the poll workers doing this and not random folks off the street, I doubt it was any kind of shenanigans. I believe the law is meant to prevent exactly what these Dems were trying to do, which is to vote for the weaker Republican to get nominated and then go vote for the stronger Dem to get nominated. If everone did that, we would have had Lamar Alexander vs. Al Gore or Al Sharpton vs. George Bush.