I see. When you feel that you haven't a snowball's chance in hell of winning an argument that YOU began, then it becomes "pointless" to continue. Why Aurel, how absolutely feminine of you. :)

Yes! I was tied up and raped by a dancer in Virginia Beach once.

I'm not sure how it became I "supported" anything, I'd like to see that post, please.

OK, everyone has had their say. Time to close this one. Nostatic, ...Z-man?

If not, it's gonna get ugly. That's not a threat, it's a prediction.

I'll moderate one thing: I don't think CoolChick is advocating anything. So, no response is needed, IMHO.

Done here. Have a nice day.

Zeke, it is interesting the way you take Aurel's comments out of context to try to make him look like he is advocating sexual abuse, when it is clear he was raising a question about our society's ideas about sex and sexual abuse. I find the question Aurel raises to be very interesting, and I find your ranting to be very disturbing.

You see, I was sexually abused by adults as a teenager. No, it's probably not the sort of abuse you would recognize, no adult ever touched me. My sexual abuse was done by adults playing games with my mind. I was raised in a very strict religious environment; my own parents taught me that sex was something shameful. Priests told me that I would burn in hell for all eternity if I masturbated. The religious books I was given by my teachers explained to me that if I even looked at a girl or woman lustfully it was a sin that needed confessing for forgiveness. My feeling guilty about my body's natural desires was the goal of this rancid indoctrination.

There are predators that abuse children, teens, and adults physically, and there are predators that abuse others mentally without every laying a hand on their victims. I never suffered physical sexual abuse, but I know the anguish of the mental sexual abuse I had to endure, and I know how hard it was for me to re-adjust myself to a position of psychological health and to learn to accept my body and desires as something that was natural and good. I don't look at my past experiences with ideas of competing for any "victims badge of honor" though, I simply look back to learn from what I experienced. That looking back at how I was treated and thinking about questions similar to those Aurel has raised has helped to give me a keen sense about others.

When I see the rage in your responses (anger by your own admission) to the questions and comments here, I get the strong suspicion, that somewhere lurking within your mind is a very dangerous predator.

My prediction rings true.

Ok, this thread has gotten out of hand (probably somewhere back on page 1 or 2)

First off, my take on this: (yes, as a moderator, I still have an opinion). I believe men/boys can be raped. However, my definition of rape goes deeper than just the physical definition. The real pain in rape, any rape, is what happens to the person psychologically AFTER the physical act. (And yes, physical rape is possible on a man)

Now, back to the current mess at hand: Zeke pointed out in his first post in this thread that his wife volunteers for an organization that deals with child abuse. That means that Zeke's wife has first hand experience with the subject matter. His wife sees (probably on a daily basis) the consequences of when children (girls AND boys) are raped, mistreated, abused...etc. Since Zeke and his wife are married, a lot of what Mrs. Zeke experiences is shared with Zeke.

As such, Zeke has a good understanding of the consequences of when children are raped. His opinions are backed by real life circumstances and experiences.

Some of you here have had first hand experiences as well, and have offered your opinion here. I am sure that it was difficult for many to share their story - thank you for doing such a vulnerable thing - that had to be tough.

Then there are those who have not had any first hand experience - either working for a child abuse center, or being raped as a child, or whatever. While everyone has their own opinion, it seems to me that there are some here whose opinion is based more on speculation rather than facts. While everyone has an opinion, not all opinions are worth their weight in gold. Some are, some are not.

As a moderator, it is not my place to state who is right or wrong here. HOWEVER: there is one thing I am called to do - and that is to make sure everyone adheres to forum guidelines.

So, the personal attacks seen in this thread must stop.

Obviously, this subject is very sensitive with many. And opinions differ greatly. While the subject is infused with emotion, and folks here disagree, that gives no one a right to attack the other personally. If personal attacks continue, this thread will be closed.

-Z-man, OT Moderator.