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cool_chick · 01-15-2006, 03:32 AM

Ok let's settle this once and for all!

Is Bill going to be in Vegas? If so, Joe, send your check to Bill and this way there are two third parties involved.

Or alternatively, have Mike H., send me the check, Joe, send me the check, and I'll be the third party which is neither Bill or Mike. I promise you, I am saying this as an honorable woman, I have no intention of doing anything unethical. I will diligently uphold the terms of the bet.

Does that sound reasonable?

Joeaksa · 01-15-2006, 03:46 AM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
Ok let's settle this once and for all!

Is Bill going to be in Vegas? If so, Joe, send your check to Bill and this way there are two third parties involved.

Or alternatively, have Mike H., send me the check, Joe, send me the check, and I'll be the third party which is neither Bill or Mike. I promise you, I am saying this as an honorable woman, I have no intention of doing anything unethical. I will diligently uphold the terms of the bet.

Does that sound reasonable?

Sounds fine to me as soon as Shaun fesses up to his miss-deed and if you promise not to buy shoes and handbags with the money!

I had no problem sending the money to Lube AFTER Shaun tells the truth to everyone.

What pissed me off was Shaun telling everyone I was a "man without honor" while he continued lying to everyone about the facts of the situation.

Joe A

cool_chick · 01-15-2006, 03:54 AM

I HATE shopping. I can easily promise you that.

Nathans_Dad · Nathans_Dad's Garage

Shaun @ Tru6 · 07:37 AM

Here's the deal. I've said it before, I'll say it again, you can't trust Joe. In deciding how to handle payment, we exchanged PMs, after his dog ate the I email sent on two, maybe 3 occasions. (who doesn't get text-based email?) Joe was relatively polite in PM. But what he would do then is take anything I said in my PM and twist it, posting it here on the board to make me look bad. He is also in total denial. He claims to have posted for me to contact him (ages ago) on the first thread of the bet (he didn't) and when pressed, he keeps to his mantra that he posted it. But here's the thing, even after reviewing every single post on the original thread and telling Joe his post isn't there, he continues to say he did. The fact is Joe can't find it because he never did post it. This is 100% objective and verifiable.

Net: Joe can't be trusted.

As to payment, first Joe suggested we PayPal our funds to a third party. This is just a dumb idea. With over 4 months of time between the bet and the payout, anything can happen, especially when 911's are involved. If that person were hit by a proverbial bus, we'd both be out $500. Not good business.

Then Joe suggested a check to a third party. That's a good idea. I first suggessted Mike Holloway. Now I'm not sure why Mike wasn't good enough for Joe, but after I suggested Mike, Joe suggested Bill Verburg, and even though I don't know Bill personally, I believe Bill is probably one of the best guys on the board and would trust him implicitly. But he's a moderator. In my opinion, involving a Pelican moderator in our little love spat (you must have seen how Joe really feels about me, thinking about me during his, ahem, paid escapades a few pages back) is a really dumb idea!

Net: I suggested Mike, Joe didn't like Mike (for whatever reason), Joe suggested Bill. Involving a Pelican official on OT board shananigans (sp) is stupid.

My last PM to Joe was "I'm staying with Mike Holloway Joe."

I didn't get a response to this PM.

I didn't get a response to this PM.

I didn't get a response to this PM.

So I sent my check to Mike.

that's pretty much the story.

here's what I don't understand. I made the bet. The board went back and forth on the definition of show. Joe suggested that show meant 10 minutes at an event during the 3 days. I agreed. Very soon thereafter, Joe and Flintstone went on a viscious attack of character with Joe making many and various threats. The police one was good! I sent in a check to Mike, Joe continues on with his attentionfest.

Why? Why carry on the fight? How bored or lonely do you have to be?

and Joe, why all the threats, malice, etc.? and it's not just me, there are a lot of members who just don't get it.

Cdnone1 · 01-15-2006, 08:07 AM

Shaun
I'm not taking sides here and don't really care for either of your personal attacks on each other in a public forum , but it seems obvious to me that if the two of you did not agree on sending the money to Mike (as you have stated above) then Joe is under no obligation too.
Just because you decided to does not obligate Joe to do some that you independantly decided. It would make sense to me that Joe is under no obligation to send a check to Mike and that your repeated , and I mean repeated "send the check Joe, send the check Joe, send the check Joe' are just a bully pulpit to try and force him into doing something just because you did and decided for him that he now should.
Some one else just offered to hold the checks, why don't you two both agree to send them to that person and be done with it.
Joe (who ever you are) I think that Shauns above statement is as close as you are ever going to get to him admitting that he independently decided on Mike holding the checks and has been try to force you into sending it to him and trying to make you look foolish for not.
You will just have to trust that anyone else who would like not to have Shaun parroting "just send the check Joe" has now in front of the Pelican comunity admitted in writing that you are and have never been under any obligation to "just send a check"
Hopefully that's the end of it for you two and the last those of us that just are looking for some interesting reading "off topic " will have to read about it
Steve

Shaun @ Tru6 · 01-15-2006, 08:14 AM

Well, someone's got to get the check, and it needs to be sent now. If Joe can explain why he never responded to my last PM or can explain why he doesn't trust Mike Holloway to hold the check, I'll give it a rest. So far Joe is all talk, very little action.

Simple as that.

Joeaksa · 01-15-2006, 08:18 AM

Shaun, Shaun, Shaun,

Why continue to spin the web? It just gets you in deeper!

You told the Pelican forum that WE would get together and make the decision together on how to work this bet that you dreamed up while trying to screw Fintstone for some reason. You supposedly emailed me but nothing arrived. I asked again and you finally emailed me but put no subject on the email and my spam filter threw it in the spam file so I did not see it until weeks later. Finally we got together on Pelican PM's.

This was around 1 December. You wanted to force Fint to not only show (your words) but to attend several days of the event, and thats just not possible for everyone. We finally settled on his showing up for at least 10 minutes at one of the events of his choice. Remember that while he does live in Vegas, he does work for the military, there is a war going on and he is not available at all times for G9 girl. It has also been covered that if Fint is called away on official govt business that the bet is off. Fint would have to prove this but it can be done.

Need to add that from late October to 24 December I was flying overseas, shuttling from hotel to hotel, airport to airport, some with and many without any internet access. Some had internet but many western sites were blocked, Pelican included because there were photos of girls on the forum. Just because you and most everyone else can get on the Pelican forum, someone in the middle east cannot much of the time.

On 5 December Shaun PM'ed me saying that he could live with Fint showing up for "an event or two of his choice" that this would be ok. He then said that he wanted to send his money to Mike Holloway. At that time I had no idea what so ever who Mike Holloway was and suggested Bill Verburg, a moderator who everyone knew and trusted. Later I found out that Mike was Lubemaster but that was not a while because of being blocked on the internet. Why Shaun does not like Bill V is a good question but he sure likes Mike H!

What Shaun did not know, nor care about, is that he left his PM reply about Mike H at 8 PM my time in the Middle East and I was already about to hit the sack. Early the next day I flew from "civilization" back to Saudi Arabia and was once again blacked out most of the time for internet and email access until 12 December when we went to Dubai.

Upon reaching Dubai I picked up my emails and PM's and found where Shaun had already made up his mind without waiting for any more input or communication from me and sent a check to Mike??!! He feels that because he made up his mind to use Mike that this must be good enough for me and is now trying to force me to abide by his one sided decision without telling anyone on the forum why. He knew I was overseas and most people realize that internet access in many countries overseas is not very good but does not care.

Shaun, I know that there are a lot of members who do not get it. They really do not understand why you do not admit that you took it upon yourself to do what YOU wanted and not what WE were supposed to as you keep telling everyone. There is a large difference in YOU and WE Shaun. WE is a partnership and we both discuss and work things out together, then agree on a procedure. YOU did what you wanted to do and are now trying to shove it down my throat, which aint gonna happen.

Does this post from you mean that you are now admitting that you lied when you said that WE would make the decisions on the bet when you sent the check to Mike without my agreement or approval? This is the first time you have admitted it on the forum after refusing to talk about it for over a month.

Please Shaun, clarify it for me? When did I agree to use Mike Holloway? Please show me, a man who cannot be trusted, just when I emailed or PM'ed you and said "ok, lets use Mike H"???? When you can do this I will admit to being a man of no honor, but until that time you are a liar.

Bye,

Joe A

Joeaksa · 01-15-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally posted by Cdnone1
Shaun
I'm not taking sides here and don't really care for either of your personal attacks on each other in a public forum , but it seems obvious to me that if the two of you did not agree on sending the money to Mike (as you have stated above) then Joe is under no obligation too.
Just because you decided to does not obligate Joe to do some that you independantly decided. It would make sense to me that Joe is under no obligation to send a check to Mike and that your repeated , and I mean repeated "send the check Joe, send the check Joe, send the check Joe' are just a bully pulpit to try and force him into doing something just because you did and decided for him that he now should.
Some one else just offered to hold the checks, why don't you two both agree to send them to that person and be done with it.
Joe (who ever you are) I think that Shauns above statement is as close as you are ever going to get to him admitting that he independently decided on Mike holding the checks and has been try to force you into sending it to him and trying to make you look foolish for not.
You will just have to trust that anyone else who would like not to have Shaun parroting "just send the check Joe" has now in front of the Pelican comunity admitted in writing that you are and have never been under any obligation to "just send a check"
Hopefully that's the end of it for you two and the last those of us that just are looking for some interesting reading "off topic " will have to read about it
Steve

Steve,

Thanks and I personally agree. He has finally admitted in public that he just sent the check to Mike without our agreeing to a person to sent it to. I was blindsided as I had no communication with him for a while then saw this on another thread.

He keeps calling me a man of no honor, when he could not tell the truth for the longest time. He needs to look in the mirror sometime...

Joe A

Shaun @ Tru6 · 08:46 AM

Joe, you are doing it again, twisting, etc. You did the same thing to Cool Chick the other day, posting that you didn't know she and Slakjaw were friends when you really did. No wonder you are alone.

Just send the check to Mike. You can type all you want about where you were when, etc., but you've been all over this board with not a day of interruption. You never emailed me. You never PM'd me AT ANY TIME after my last PM. Joe, you dropped the ball.

If who got to hold the checks was really important to you Joe, you would have suggested someone else, you would have carried on the conversation whether Mike had my check or not. It's not like Mike couldn't have forwarded on the check. It's not as though you sent me a PM or email saying, "Hey, why'd you send a check to Mike? I don't agree with him. Let's use XYZ. If you are in agreement with XYZ, have Mike forward on the check."

Why didn't you do that Joe?

But you didn't Joe, you didn't. For whatever reason, I don't know.

in the end, I acted instead of sending anything more in PM that you could twist. It was your absence of any kind of response that sealed it. And why all the threats instead of real action. Classic schoolyard bully.

Here's the net net: I've fulfilled my side of the bet. You have not and only made excuses along the way. Man of honor. pffft. Our 10-year-old girl models have more integrity and honor.

Joe Bob · Joe Bob's Garage

Geeez, I picked a bad day to quit Heroin.....

Cdnone1 · 01-15-2006, 09:33 AM

Shaun
WTF
Enough already!
You admitted it. You are in the wrong!. Accept it and move on or at the least shut up about it.
Can you not see that you are wrong about this. H@ll why doesn't someone post a poll so you can see what an a$$ your making of yourself.
People like you just don't get it! You stated yourself you hadn't both agreed to Mike and you still find excuses and spin things.
I was amused when I started reading this and really could care less on who was right but you have admitted to everyone you where wrong and you still can't let it go.

Joe you must have the patience of a Saint!

Shaun, here it's easy, cut and paste this "I was wrong to send my check to Mike without hearing from you that it was OK with you and you would do the same. Sorry. Who would you like us to send our checks to."

Do us all a favor
Steve

Shaun @ Tru6 · 01-15-2006, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cdnone1
Shaun
WTF
Enough already!
You admitted it. You are in the wrong!. Accept it and move on or at the least shut up about it.
Can you not see that you are wrong about this. H@ll why doesn't someone post a poll so you can see what an a$$ your making of yourself.
People like you just don't get it! You stated yourself you hadn't both agreed to Mike and you still find excuses and spin things.
I was amused when I started reading this and really could care less on who was right but you have admitted to everyone you where wrong and you still can't let it go.

Joe you must have the patience of a Saint!

Shaun, here it's easy, cut and paste this "I was wrong to send my check to Mike without hearing from you that it was OK with you and you would do the same. Sorry. Who would you like us to send our checks to."

Do us all a favor
Steve

Just cause I spanked you on the advertising thing doesn't mean you have a dog in this fight.

The ball was in Joe's court. He dropped it. If you think I was wrong for just sending the check to Mike, I can live with that. My success in life has everything to do with acting, not mealymouthing back and forth, talking incessantly. Taking a course and making it happen, that's what I do.

here, I'll throw you a bone. I was wrong to suggest Mike Holloway and when I didn't get a response from Joe, just send him the check. My concern that I fulfill my side of the bet overroad any sense of partnership with Joe when he didn't respond, has never responded.

In the end, a trustworthy person has my money, no one has Joe's.

Mulhollanddose · 01-15-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by Rodeo
Here's a snap of Joe looking for the WMDs

I suppose that makes you the horse's ass?...No, I guess not, as I would be the rider and you would be the ridden...nonetheless, you would still be the horse's ass.

Mulhollanddose · 01-15-2006, 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
I promise you, I am saying this as an honorable woman, I have no intention of doing anything unethical. I will diligently uphold the terms of the bet.

Does that sound reasonable?

Stay out of it woman...Let the men sort this out.