Cayenne IS a VW, don't they share the same platform? And really, I hardly see a male driver in a Cayenne, and those trucks aren't all that rare up here!

"We could afford the Cayenne... Why not?"

Exactly. ... I wonder how many of the armchair critics here have ever driven one or more to the point, could run down today and write the check for $75,000? :rolleyes: I think Porsche should dig up that classic line from the Car & Driver 911S road test in 1971 and use it in a Cayenne ad:

"All the performance of an American muscle car, without the stigma of low cost." :D

That new Cayenne looks ... "viperous".

I see an angry taxi cab from "who framed roger rabit"

Japanese. Bangled headlights (i.e. Dame Edna new 5 series). Ugh..... me no like

"American Supercar performance,......without the stigma of low cost..."

That was a Road and Track title for the 1971 911S test..... that comment made me gag then as it does now in its stupid, air-of-superiority arrogance.......

- Wil

Looks is a matter of personal taste... The Touareg V8 was the 1st car we test drove. My wife had a VW Beetle turbo S... that we needed to sell... The T-reg was the most rational choice.

But to say it is the same thing as a Cayenne is not true... If you drive them back to back you'll notice how the suspension set up is completely different. Also the steering response is vastly superior in the pepper wagon...

And at the end of the day the cost difference was $10k... with a better engine, better suspension, better steering and better driving experience.

The Cayenne is the best SUV there is out there. Close behind (well depending on what you are after) is the Infiniti FX. Then the T-reg. I have not driven the new ML which is supposed to be really good. I really could not care less that it is made by Porsche... but if you want the best (dynamically) the pepper-wagon is your SUV.

Now we can go on forever saying the PAG lost the plot and their soul and blah blah...

I might agree there... I don't care for any of the new 911s. And I could certainly afford any of their offerings... But that is another story.

Anyway as soon as the kids grow up I think we'll sell the Cayenne and get a smaller car... I hope Porsche will offer a 911 station wagon by then... Ot will certainly be the best wagon on the market... :D

It simply sells/sold and it has increased profits for Porsche.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/BUSINESS/12/03/porsche.results.reut/

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/BUSINESS/03/05/porsche/

http://www.aiada.org/article.asp?id=26745

I think the creation of the Cayenne has allowed Porsche to bring in new/different models into the lineup (the Cayman S for one.)

Ferrari is not independent car company anymore. Fiat owns them. Remember Porsche bought a stake in VW not the other way around. The Cayenne has helped keep Porsche independent. And if the Cayenne has help them come back to racing which they are doing- I hope they sell more of them.

Well, I guess there' no accounting for taste. So True what they say about a fool and his money.

Oh, I'm sure MANY could write the check, a much smaller number would.

And many more could afford the lease deals that you see advertised in the papers to try to move those things.

A championship pissing match! Can we just chalk it up to personal taste, to each his own, etc, and leave it? As Rodney King said, (before several more arrests) "Can't we all just get along?".

I just don't get it, first off, the new front end looks a bit like the Infiniti FX, and I think they share a lot in common, - the price diff.

-I have to dissagree on calling a Cayenne a rational choice, how could it be considered so??? I don't know, I mean, great Porsche makes tons of cash off it, cool I'm fine with that, but it's a stupid, pointless waste of a vehicle.

-it's tiny inside, virtually no cargo room-compared to similar vehicles, costs a ton, gets horrid gas milage, and-ITS A TRUCK! sorry, I don't find SUV's fun to drive, even one's with solid suspension and big engines.

-Buy a Tahoe, or suburban, save enough to buy another sc or carerra! sounds like a better deal to me. You'll have a big, safe car, that you can,

-tow with
-haul tons of stuff in
-4wd for safety
-way cheaper to own and insure
-still get ****ty gas milage, but at least you get the size and volume for what you're useing fuel wise.

Do you know that for a fact?

Well,

The financial statements that Porsche prints each year indicate a jump in profits begining with the year the Cayenne came out, and I think it's a known fact that Porsche makes the highest profit per vehicle sold of any MFG, so I think it's a safe assessment. What I don't know is what the difference in per vehicle profit as a whole was before the cayenne came out vs now?-if we knew that, than we'd be able to see more clearly. But, every other mfg of SUV's makes a sizeable profit on them as compared to other vehicles so that's my best guess, what do you think?

Cayenne is a great car. You should try the turbo version, it's mean.

The updated version is going to have 520HP+

Buy a Tahoe/Suburban instead because it's a big, safe car? You clearly have no clue WTF you're talking about, and it's obvious you've never driven a Cayenne off-road or even aggressively on-road. Maybe YOU should stick to the Tahoe, doesn't seem like you would even be able to appreciate or take advantage of the Cayenne's superiority to American garbage SUVs.

If Porsche would put together a factory-backed rally program for the Cayenne, everybody would shutup. Due to the fact that the car practically sells itself (gee, can't be that bad of a vehicle after all since people buy it with minimal advertising), there's no need to sink money into a rally program and put a marketing spin on it with glossy posters and t.v. commercials.

And for you uneducated fools calling it a VW, maybe it's time you check your dictionary for the meaning joint-venture. They share the same basic platform, but the Porsche is no more VW than the VW is Porsche.

Have a nice weekend sulking in your ignorance:D

Very well stated Zamirz...
 

My wife has a Cayenne and IMHO, IT IS the very finest SUV there is in the market. Every auto rag and their editors and writers sprint to drive this vehicle. As a matter of truth, many contributing editors would rather drive the Cayenne than fly to some of their proximate destinations.

20,000 customers CAN"T be that dumb. Hell, Porsche sold more Cayennes last year than all of their coupes combined. I live in So Cal and we do not have the incliment weather many do, and everyone I've discussed the SUV with totally enjoy the driving experience.

20,000 people can certainly be that dumb...ever heard of the Pet Rock?

After driving the Cayenne, I don't get it either???. I mean porche sports cars offer something you can't get for that price range. superior execution and great sports car handeling.

Now for an SUV, it only pulls 7,000lbs. My suburan at half the cost pulls 10,000lbs. I have much more storage capacity and room for 7. Off road capabilities...well only use the 4wd for traveling through the mountains to go skiing, so this is not a big deal to me.

So the Cayenne offers me nothing I can't get for half the money. The Porsche sports car line up offers me everything a want, but for much less than an other exotics. I could buy cheaper horsepower for sure, but not with the same execution, build quality, and handeling capabilities...although I would not rule out the new zo6 vette, but that's more than a 911.

So why spend more for less truck?

Most people I know who can spend that much for a truck, but wanted a great driving experience would simply buy the 997 and a truck for truck duties. Why compromise if your going to spend that kind of dough?

20,000 people can't be that dumb ???.....

All other arguments up to that point at least made *some* sense....

Lesseee...a few *million* people get off on "American Idol"...and don't know the difference between the country "Spain" and "Mexico"..and which is on our Southern Border !!!

As they say....."Eat poop...a million flys can't be wrong ! "

- Wil