Google refuses to hand over search data to U.S.

[Jim Richards]

Yes, the government wants all your daughters to have an active bi-sexual lifestyle and all the abortions they desire. That's the master plan.

[slakjaw]

Originally posted by rcecale
Nor do I. But then again, I don't have a problem with the wire-tapping for terrorists either.

Funny thing is, I'm just as free as I was yesterday, last year, 10 years ago... Is this a great country, or what???

Randy

ok fine...

Post you home address, Invite everyone in your town to come to your house, look through your windows. Ya` know... see what you are up too at all times. You got nothing to hide, why should we take your word for it? We will have to monitor you?

Do you have your papers in order?

[CRH911S]

I agree that parents are the primary caretakers of their children and should certainly control what they view on the internet.

I sense and underlying motivation here that has nothing to do with parental responsibility. The government wants to control what people read and view on the internet when it should be holding parents accountable.

For example, when children vandalize school property parents should be held fully accountable. Unfortunately, here in Alaska, the parents are responsible for up to $25,000.00 in damages. Anything above that falls on the backs of the tax payer. Hey folks, conducting a search into the sexual habits of the teachers isn't going to solve this problem.

I personally feel potential parents should be licensed. insured and financially capable to have and raise children. I'm sorry but it's gotten to this point.

Blast away....

[RickM]

My question is why go to Google?

The goverment could more easily get info from the ISPs. Then they could see everything.

[aways]

Originally posted by Jim Richards
Yes, the government wants all your daughters to have an active bi-sexual lifestyle and all the abortions they desire. That's the master plan.

Not the present administration, but the Democratic party elites wouldn't mind. BTW, you conveniently ducked the question of why it doesn't seem to bother some of you that minors can get abortions without parental notification, but they need to be supervised closely by their parents while surfing the net. Seems inconsistent to me. I'm for close parental involvement in both cases.

[widebody911]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Let's be clear here folks.
Yes, lets.
The subpeona was for a random sampling of sites and anonymous searches. The gubmint doesn't care what Superman is searching for on Google.
Yes, the Bush Administration does care what people are searching for, but the people are on to the game, so they have to hide behind the 'to protect the children' mantra.
They simply want to show how easy it is for children to get directed to porn sites through an internet search.
Any two-bit IT hack could do this without having access to google's records.

[Jim Richards]

I don't want to discuss abortion with you, Allen, as I couldn't care less about the issue. There's a lot more serious issues facing America that I care about. I also don't give a damn about flag burning or reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in schools. Get ******* serious about your Constitution, or you won't have it for long.

BTW, your comment about "Democratic party elites" not minding is laughable. I think it must be the aliens that infest their bodies that make them favor abortion for minors. And the aliens infesting Hollywood producers/writers/actors make them push the gay/les culture. Yeah, it's those damn aliens. BTW, has anyone seen my tin foil hat?

[widebody911]

Originally posted by aways
BTW, you conveniently ducked the question of why it doesn't seem to bother some of you that minors can get abortions without parental notification, but they need to be supervised closely by their parents while surfing the net. Seems inconsistent to me. I'm for close parental involvement in both cases.

Nothing inconistent at all - the central theme is 'take your thinly-veiled theocracy and stuff it'. It's the parents' job to pay attention to what their kids are doing, whether it's knockin' the boots or surfing for porn. If you're asleep at the wheel, why should the government have to backstop your *****ty parenting?

[Jim Richards]

werd

[widebody911]

Originally posted by RickM
My question is why go to Google?

The goverment could more easily get info from the ISPs. Then they could see everything.

Because Google is the equivalent of an information WalMart, as opposed to having to go to 50 different stores to get the same stuff.

[Superman]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Let's be clear here folks. The subpeona was for a random sampling of sites and anonymous searches. The gubmint doesn't........

Came back to check on this thread and made it almost two sentences. Here is my comment: Setting aside the stated concerns that the gubmint WOULD have personal information that could be gleaned, and WOULD then possess Google trade secrets that would then be accessible to competitors under FOIA, the reason I'm not comfortable with this is at least twofild:

The Gubmint here is mandating that an information company cough up information....and that's simply not okay. I support reporters who sit in jail because they will not disclose sources. The gubmint is not welcome into the media and information industry and....

This particular gubmint obviously, clearly cannot be trusted. They are currently breaking the law by spying on citizens illegally. They lost my trust and they lost their credibility.

[Jims5543]

Originally posted by aways
This is rich.. I wonder why all of you who seem so protective of "parent's responsibility and parent's rights" and no government role when it comes to the internet, have NO problem whatsoever when the government through our public school system wants to mandate sex ed in elementary schools, celebrate the gay/lesbian lifestyle, and point girls to abortion centers, all without parental notification. When it comes to these issues you want lots of government action, and NO parental role. How's that?

I do not want to school to do anything but teach my kid math, science, english and other educational courses.

I'll take care of the sex ed and teaching him morals.

Sadly too many parents view the public school system as a day care.

[RickM]

Originally posted by widebody911
Because Google is the equivalent of an information WalMart, as opposed to having to go to 50 different stores to get the same stuff.

True but more intelligence could be gathered from the ISPs and likely easier to deal with.

[SLO-BOB]

this is a test....

[DaveE]

Originally posted by Sebring77
This is shaky ground. I think Google's efforts (and anyone who fights this) are analagous to the efforts of the NRA. The NRA will fight even reasonable efforts to impose any kind of law regarding arms. Why? Because the reasonable laws then open doors for unreasonable laws. If we allow the Gov't to invade our privacy a little (more), then we open a Pandora's box of privacy invasion.

Yes, but some right wing Senators (mine, Santorum, anyway) will say they don't think we have a right to privacy..........

[aways]

Originally posted by widebody911
Nothing inconistent at all - the central theme is 'take your thinly-veiled theocracy and stuff it'. It's the parents' job to pay attention to what their kids are doing, whether it's knockin' the boots or surfing for porn. If you're asleep at the wheel, why should the government have to backstop your *****ty parenting?

I agree (sort of). But the leftist argument regarding the need to take classroom time for condom and bananna demos, reading "Heather has two mommies", etc., is that the parents can't be trusted to share our leftist values, so we have to devote class time to indoctrinate students instead of teaching Math/Science/Literature. My point is that you have NO problem when the government, through the public school system, intrudes into people's private lives, as long as you agree with their agenda.

[rcecale]

Originally posted by slakjaw
ok fine...

Post you home address, Invite everyone in your town to come to your house, look through your windows. Ya` know... see what you are up too at all times. You got nothing to hide, why should we take your word for it? We will have to monitor you?Do you have your papers in order?

http://www.google.com Look it up yourself. There is information out there to be seen by all.

Oh, and for the record. There are several windows on my house that don't have blinds, curtain, etc. Wide open for the whole world to look through. Come on over sometime and have a look....but I assure you, it may not be a pretty sight!

Randy

[RallyJon]

For those of you who read two lines and assumed the rest, this isn't about kiddie porn, it's about how easily kiddies can find porn on the web using search engines like... Google.

This also isn't about the Gubmint obtaining records of how often YOU searched for porn using Google. In fact, the Gubmint isn't asking for any personal user data.

What's much more scary to me than the Gubmint's request, is how much data Google collects and stores on all of us, every day. The Gubmint doesn't have the inclination to parse through all that stuff, but I bet Google does.

[targa911S]

i guess george orwell was just a few years off.

[slakjaw]

Originally posted by RallyJon
For those of you who read two lines and assumed the rest, this isn't about kiddie porn, it's about how easily kiddies can find porn on the web using search engines like... Google.

This also isn't about the Gubmint obtaining records of how often YOU searched for porn using Google. In fact, the Gubmint isn't asking for any personal user data.

What's much more scary to me than the Gubmint's request, is how much data Google collects and stores on all of us, every day. The Gubmint doesn't have the inclination to parse through all that stuff, but I bet Google does.

I think it's about both!

Why is the gobmint worried about what my kid can find online?
Are they going to start "controling" the internet?
Thats what China does.......

I worry more about what the gubmint will do with this info than I do about what Google does with it.


The statment:
"Gubmint isn't asking for any personal user data."

Conflicts with this question:
HOW can they tell if a search was executed by a 10 year old or a 50 year old?