We're really not all created equal, are we? - Page 2

TerryBPP · 01-26-2006, 08:31 AM

Why do you think communisim doesn't work? If we were all the exact same it would be the perfect system. But a rocket scientist doesn't want the same standard of living as a ditch digger.

livi · 01-26-2006, 08:32 AM

On an individual basis we have all been furnished with a unique set up of genes rendering us more or less competitive. This applies to any and all competition, being it brain work or body work.

As far as races go, it seems to me that the black man, up till recently hindered, is gaining and surpassing the other races. Certainly in many sports at least. Of course they are still scarce in ice hockey and skiing. This could could arguably be attributed to a number of circumstances beyond genetics of course. Maybe us white dudes have become to lazy and less determined.

Who knows. Be advised, this is NOT a racial statement on my part.

RallyJon · 01-26-2006, 08:35 AM

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According to your statement

Actually, that is a paraphrase of a great line I remember from a labor relations class in college. I believe the origin is a fat cat industrialist explaining to the workers why they did all the heavy labor and he sat in his office watching.

RANDY P · RANDY P's Garage

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Originally posted by cantdrv55

Also, how come there are no Filipinos in the NBA? There are tall Filipinos (I'm taller than Spud Web by at least a couple of three inches). Plus, basketball is the national sport of the Philippines! I've seen some really good Filipino ball handlers but they can't hold a candle to Steve Nash.

So maybe we suck at athletics but we sure do well in school and in business. We excel in small or family owned enterprises but seem to peter out at middle-management in the corporate world. Maybe it's the glass ceiling, I don't know. But maybe, as a race, we don't take enough risks to get noticed at that level.

Hoo cares? We have Lumpia and Pancit!

rjp

pbs911 · pbs911's Garage

We are all created equal with one speme and one egg. We are created equal in that all people are born with certain inalienable rights. From there on out it is genetics, intelligence, motivation, surroundings, and wealth.

The argument seems to be one that we are not all greated genetically equal, which is obvious. But can we pass special laws for the genetically inferior simply for the purpose of providing favoritism?

Nathans_Dad · Nathans_Dad's Garage

Someone at the start of the thread mentioned affirmative action. My problem with affirmative action is not its idea, my problem is the way it is being implemented.

True affirmative action should start from birth and be especially present in early education where the foundation is being laid. The way we do it now is we wait until the kid is about to graduate and then we allow certain people into college with inferior scores and abilities to fill a quota. That makes no sense.

What we should be doing is levelling the playing field early so that those kids are on a more equal footing when the time comes to take the SAT or excel in school. Then college can truly take the best of the best.

stevepaa · 01-26-2006, 09:00 AM

Gee, I dunno. Can't they just work harder and make it?

stevepaa · 01-26-2006, 09:09 AM

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Originally posted by TerryBPP
Why do you think communisim doesn't work? If we were all the exact same it would be the perfect system. But a rocket scientist doesn't want the same standard of living as a ditch digger.

Uh NO.

It is not by profession that some want more than others. It is by their personality.

cantdrv55 · 01-26-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by RANDY P
Hoo cares? We have Lumpia and Pancit!

rjp

Pancit Palabok! I'm getting hungry.

TerryBPP · 01-26-2006, 09:32 AM

It was a relation to intelligence not profession. But I'll draw a diagram.

Should a heart surgeon make more than a mail man? Yes. Why? because the mail man is not capable of doing what the surgeon does. But the surgeon could shirly deliver mail. Why? I believe its genetics not environment. But thats another discussion.

If you want to live like a bum its your prerogative but it shouldn't be forced ie. communism.

RallyJon · 01-26-2006, 09:39 AM

Oh come on. I'm sure an unemployed mailman would do heart surgery if he was desperate. You take a man low enough, you starve his family, heck, most men would do heart surgery under those conditions.

Are you saying you're too good for that? When times get tough, you'd be surprised what you can do...

Drago · Drago's Garage

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Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
To me the idea of "all men are created equal" doesn't mean we are interchangable or exactly alike. Obviously Bill Gates can't throw a 50 yard pass and Ben Rothlisberger probably can't program a computer.

oh crap...more Pittsburgh bias...

At least you got our local boy in there on the other half...

TerryBPP · 01-26-2006, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by RallyJon
Oh come on. I'm sure an unemployed mailman would do heart surgery if he was desperate. You take a man low enough, you starve his family, heck, most men would do heart surgery under those conditions.

Are you saying you're too good for that? When times get tough, you'd be surprised what you can do...

But would the patient live. I can put paint on a canvas but that doesnt make in a Monet.