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[lendaddy]

Michigan is the only state in the union to actually reduce their total number of jobs in the last 20 months.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Michigan is the only state in the union to actually reduce their total number of jobs in the last 20 months.

Lendaddy, what is your source of information? Oh, and nice change of topic. We were talking about Michigan leading the nation in investment of Hi-Tech industries.

Here are your Talking Points straight from the Michigan GOP website - don't want to to wander off and think independently do we?

http://www.migop.org/talking_points.asp


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[widgeon13]

kach22i,

I agree with you that they do lack the leadership and the will. The industry will have to change dramatically in order to achieve a new focus on alternative energy. The Japanese and European producers are already making inroads and these yahoos (GM, Ford , Daimler Chrysler) are still thinking the problem will go away if they wait long enough. Problem is they don't have enough time.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by kach22i
We were talking about Michigan leading the nation in investment of Hi-Tech industries.[/url]

We were? What the hell does that even mean? She's pouring our money down a rabbit hole? Don't get me wrong, as the patient I'm glad she putting me on a holistic vitamin regimin but the gun-shot wound to my chest is my immediate concern

[kach22i]

Originally posted by widgeon13
I agree with you that they do lack the leadership and the will.

Bill Ford talked a good talk on Black Monday last week, I listened to it live on AM radio. Words are cheep as they say, time will tell if it was just lip action - promised big changes and was specific about it.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by lendaddy
We were? What the hell does that even mean? She's pouring our money down a rabbit hole? Don't get me wrong, as the patient I'm glad she putting me on a holistic vitamin regimin but the gun-shot wound to my chest is my immediate concern

It means companies have been moving from other states and countries to "invest" in Michigan - they are moving here.

It disturbs me that she has to brag about "retaining" jobs, but face it some companies wanted to leave and she worked to keep them here.

Just send me some links Lendaddy - I'll get to reading them.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by kach22i
It means companies have been moving from other states and countries to "invest" in Michigan - they are moving here.

It disturbs me that she has to brag about "retaining" jobs, but face it some companies wanted to leave and she worked to keep them here.

Just send me some links Lendaddy - I'll get to reading them.

You need proof that companies have left Michigan? You do live here right?

[lendaddy]

Today's Detroit News reports that Delphi is actively looking for the state that is best suited to host its new ventures. Delphi CEO Steve Miller is quoted as saying he wouldn't mind staying in Michigan, but that the company is "getting offers from other states." In previous cases, such as K-Mart, offers from other states have taken businesses that were headquartered in Michigan elsewhere. Other examples include Electrolux, formerly a major manufacturer in Greenville, which moved parts of its production to South Carolina and Sappi Fine Paper Products, which moved its plant from Holland to Minnesota.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by lendaddy
You need proof that companies have left Michigan? You do live here right?

And you need proof that other companies have to decided to stay, others more to relocate here soon - right?

I will not link to the State of the State speech as proof in it's self, just letting you know that's where I heard it first.

Good news just does not sell news papers, right?

Right now Michigan is screwed because the big 2.5 would not stop milking the SUV bandwagon - people kept buying them. In addition; lobbiest (all shapes and sizes) and Senators (mostly Democrats) kept truck and off road exemptions alive.

Time to pay the piper.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Today's Detroit News reports ............

I keep telling you to download the 17 page pdf of the State of the State speech.

Remember good news does not sell newspapers.

You really need to read/see the other side of the story. The Detroit news always endorses a republican.

Note: before you get your Dick for Gov button, look into what some people think of Amway...............it's like a myth or legend - legal pyramid some have called it.

Argument:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway/

Counter argument:
http://skepdic.com/amway.html

[speeder]

Originally posted by widgeon13
The consumer doesn't support it as well. When we get committed to alternative energy you will quickly see the opportunity to own a Porsche go down the drain, forever!

The reason that any particular consumer, (ie., you), does not support alternative energy is because they are misinformed. And as someone who lived and breathed Porsches for ~30 years, I could truly care less if I never own another one. I have slightly bigger concerns about the future right now. The reality, though, is that if the U.S. had implemented a responsible energy policy when it was easy, (when oil was dirt cheap), we would not be in the present fiasco. Consumption and out of control suburban sprawl could have been checked, dependence on ME oil could have been reduced, and if consumption was reduced (replaced w/ alternative sources) enough, there would be an extremely ample supply of affordable oil for our toys.

But wait, the Republican says! How can we have alternative energy when oil is cheap? The market would not allow this! My answer is that letting "the market", (which is not a true free market), decide energy policy by itself is a horrible idea whose results are evident now. And poised to get a LOT worse. Kiss those gas-guzzling hobbies goodbye, have a good cry and get over it. That party is OVER.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by speeder
Consumption and out of control suburban sprawl could have been checked,

Some have argued that sprawl has been good for the building industry and the automobile industry - they have some numbers backing them up to.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by kach22i


Right now Michigan is screwed because the big 2.5 would not stop milking the SUV bandwagon - people kept buying them. In addition; lobbiest (all shapes and sizes) and Senators (mostly Democrats) kept truck and off road exemptions alive.

Time to pay the piper.

You think the failure of the US auto industry is because they made SUV's?????????

If they had made Prius's they would be booming? The Prius that Toyota takes a loss on every sale of? Splain your craziness please.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by lendaddy
You think the failure of the US auto industry is because they made SUV's?????????

If they had made Prius's they would be booming? The Prius that Toyota takes a loss on every sale of? Splain your craziness please.

1. The 2.5 made their money on light trucks, all their eggs were/are in one basket - never a good thing. This however is not an attempt to explain away or simplify their problems - never said it was. Hoser.

2. Taking a loss on the Prius is the so-called "investment" which a forward looking company is willing to make. Their reward (on that technology) will be a little further down the line - or so they hope. The short term thinking you (Lendaddy) have shown here is exactly the problem. You are not willing to take a risk and want to milk the same cow until it goes dry.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by kach22i
1. The 2.5 made their money on light trucks, all their eggs were/are in one basket - never a good thing. This however is not an attempt to explain away or simplify their problems - never said it was. Hoser.

2. Taking a loss on the Prius is the so-called "investment" which a forward looking company is willing to make. Their reward (on that technology) will be a little further down the line - or so they hope. The short term thinking you (Lendaddy) have shown here is exactly the problem. You are not willing to take a risk and want to milk the same cow until it goes dry.

So, if we had taken your advice we would be in much worse economic shape now, but our future would be better (that is some scary ****). That future ofcourse being when people are buying hybrids at a massive rate and their production and sales being profitable. Or in laymans terms, a loooooong time from now.

[speeder]

Still, you Michigan guys calling each other "hoser" is pretty funny.

[widgeon13]

Originally posted by speeder
The reason that any particular consumer, (ie., you), does not support alternative energy is because they are misinformed.

I like what I drive and I'm informed to the extent that I want to be informed. I don't want a hybrid or a diesel or a hydrogen powered vehicle I like what I drive and fly and frankly I'm not going to change. This is America, land of freedom and opportunity.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by speeder
Still, you Michigan guys calling each other "hoser" is pretty funny.

Term of endearment that I have not used since high school 25 years ago - slipped out.

[real550A]

I'm with BGCarrera on this one.
Invest in these "evil" oil companies and enjoy the ride. This has been a phenomenal year for those that did!

[kach22i]

Originally posted by real550A
This has been a phenomenal year for those that did!

It could be a phenomenal year , every year if we decentralize our energy infastructure. I'm talking about solar and things like that and not pumps, utility lines and monopolies.