Hey, J.

Can you believe these guys? They actually believe that Saddam had let that whole "Gulf war" thang slide in to the past. They believe that Saddam was stripped of ANY power (even though he had millions flowing thru the UN . . and an -in- with the frogs to hold of any UN actions against Iraq. ) But Saddam? . . . these jokers believe Saddam wouldn't work secretly to SCREW the US.

They have to believe that Glenn. They have mountains of lies and intentional malicious distortions that will come crumbling down and bury them if that lie is un-buttressed.

Watch, their pathology will continue to deny, distort and insist that the facts are indeed, not the facts. There is no truth that can creep into their delusion.

I'll certainly take that on board, Mul. And thank you. The day of redemption is at hand.

In the meantime, while we wait, do you have some evidence of Saddam's WMD capability hitherto unknown that causes you to persist with this redundant argument, when Mr Bush himself, god bless him, has repudiated it?

As you are intent on a neo con, Xtian Right circle jerk, let me contribute the biscuit and wish you good night.

If I die before I wake...

Tierney says, however, that what Saddam actually said was much more sinister. "He was discussing his intent to use chemical weapons against the United States and use proxies so it could not be traced back to Iraq," he told Hannity.
In a passage not used by "Nightline," Tierney says Saddam declares: "Terrorism is coming. ... In the future there will be terrorism with weapons of mass destruction. What if we consider this technique, with smuggling?"

Well put Zoanas....Indeed. It borders on the psychotic.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/cover.jpg

Iraq�s Chemical Warfare Program

By God, spare us your evil. Pick up your goods and leave. We do not need an atomic bomb. We have the dual chemical. Let them take note of this. We have the dual chemical. It exists in Iraq.1

1 Saddam speaking about the Israeli, US, and UK intelligence services and Iraq�s development of binary CW munitions in a speech on 2 April 1990. (Foreign Broadcast Information Service 021329 April 1990).


Key Findings

Saddam never abandoned his intentions to resume a CW effort when sanctions were lifted and conditions were judged favorable:

* Saddam and many Iraqis regarded CW as a proven weapon against an enemy�s superior numerical strength, a weapon that had saved the nation at least once already�during the Iran-Iraq war�and contributed to deterring the Coalition in 1991 from advancing to Baghdad.

While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdad�s desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it should WMD be discovered.

* The scale of the Iraqi conventional munitions stockpile, among other factors, precluded an examination of the entire stockpile; however, ISG inspected sites judged most likely associated with possible storage or deployment of chemical weapons.

Iraq�sCW program was crippled by the Gulf war and the legitimate chemical industry, which suffered under sanctions, only began to recover in the mid-1990s. Subsequent changes in the management of key military and civilian organizations, followed by an influx of funding and resources, provided Iraq with the ability to reinvigorate its industrial base.

* Poor policies and management in the early 1990s left the Military Industrial Commission (MIC) financially unsound and in a state of almost complete disarray.
* Saddam implemented a number of changes to the Regime�s organizational and programmatic structures after the departure of Husayn Kamil.
* Iraq�s acceptance of the Oil-for-Food (OFF) program was the foundation of Iraq�s economic recovery and sparked a flow of illicitly diverted funds that could be applied to projects for Iraq�s chemical industry.


There's more here...

http://www.jacques-itch.com/images/SaddamWTC_01.jpg

A mass murderer with delusions of American genocide...Only a fool could deny this.

It seems that the "Saddam was clean" crowd, are simply not too savvy to the habits and motivations of murderous dictators.

. . .but, then again, I suppose it is a pretty big reach . .. I mean if Saddam says .... :rolleyes:

I guess we will never know the whole truth, as Sandy Berger absconded with it for his President Clinton.

Where is/was the media?...Where was/is their intrepid courage uncovering this conspiracy to defraud the country of a full investigation of what led to 9-11?...Where is the hounding and dogging of Sandy Bergler and Bill Clinton regarding this most egregious of crimes?...what was so important as to motivate multiple trips to the National Archives and multiple felonious thefts of sensitive documents surrounding terrorism?

Cheney shot a friend...CALL THE PRESS!, GET THE ROPE!

Keep on digging liberals, keep on diggin'...Have faith, the hole can get deeper.

The picture is interesting. Whoever painted it must have been unafraid that Saddam would take offense at the accusation.

Ya think?...The picture was either commissioned by Saddam or was a tribute. Either way it at the very least validates what even the left self-interestedly refuses to admit, that the operation was just and the justification sound.

The painting was neither comminsioned by Hussein nor is it a tribute. The giveaway is the cigar he's holding, a major no-no in an Islamic country, even one as secular as Iraq. You simply didn't find any pictures like it anywhere prior to the invasion.

The picture is either by someone who was opposed to Hussein's fatcat propensities, or commisioned by one of the soldier's holding it from a street artist.

I'd bet on the latter.

In any case, it's utterly meaningless as far as being evidence of anything on a strategic level, and only a very silly person would intimate that it is such.

You're brilliant, Pat. I figure'd you'd at least google your BS before you spew it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/176435_m.jpg http://www.cigarren-portal.de/conten...sein-cigar.jpg

ROFLMAO!

Even in uniform! You crack me up, Pat. You sounded so serious, too!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1140924474.jpg


In fact, now that I look at this one closer, it appears to be the exact pose and outfit for the painting!

Two things. First, when you find something that you really want to include with a post you've already made, just use the edit key to make the addition, you don't need two posts.

More importantly, those ingenius photos you've posted aren't for the masses in Iraq.

Hussein could care less if you or I saw then. I've seen videos of him in from of his cabinet at a podium with a cigar at length. The average guy in Iraq never saw that.

You could buy a beer or drinks in night clubs in Baghdad prior to the Bush'ist invasion, you can't do that now; but you could prior to March, 2003. Outside Baghdad, not only could you not do that, many people didn't know you could anyplace in Iraq.

You gots to know yer stuff, ole N.A.S..

You're hilarious! He's a closet smoker! He puts people through shredders but he doesn't want them to see him smoke!

This was priceless, Pat, thanks!

There's just one of your problems, N. A. S., you believe all of the agitprop created out of nothing by the Chalabi group, a so-called group of Iraqi dissidents on the US government payroll for more than 20 odd years. Their sole purpose, it turns out, was to gin up stories to persuade the gullible to support not only this latest war on the Iraqi people, but the first one too. Remember the story about the Iraqi's throwing Kuwaiti babies out of incubators afer they invaded Kuwait?

Completely false, never happened.

More junk news.

As far as you laughing, I really don't undestand it when there's been more than 100,000 civilian Iraqi casualties due to policies that YOU support.

I see no humor in that.