idiot posts he runs bikers off roads, then tries to cover...but the net is too fast

[MotoSook]

This poor sucker can't type fast enough to cover his arse after making statements that he regularly causes speeding motorcyclists to crash in a CrownVic forum (the thread was eventually deleted).

The biker world jumps on this guy like he just raped someone's child. His profile is disturbing, because he IS likely to have caused some biker accidents.

The thread is pretty long, but here is a quickie: someone posted the guy's comments from the CrownVic forum on the biker forum...the bikers jump on it and dig up his personal information, and the guy eventually signs on to the biker forum where he can't seem to cover his butt fast enough. Word spreads quickly on the web...now there is a thread on the local (to him) biker forum (DC/Maryland)...

http://forums.sportbikes.net/forums/showthread.php?t=304763&page=1&pp=15

I do not think anyone running a biker off the road (or a 911) or causing a biker to spill is funny, and it shouldn't be a joking matter. Apparently the majority of the bikers out there think the same...

...but I found it funny that the poor guy's handle was "technoweenie" and there was even mention of the Icy Hot Stuntaz! Some other elements of a "bizarro" Pelican threads too.

[legion]

Man...I purposefully give bikers some extra breathing room. I won't touch motorcycles myself, but I figure less considerate drivers hardly notice them and don't give them adequate following room or pull out too close in front of them so they deserve a break.

[Joeaksa]

Hope he does not try that in Arizona. I know that a lot of guys who ride carry a weapon in their tankbag....

[MotoSook]

Thanks "legion." Thanks for the space...

Joe, this guy's actions is no different that someone pointing a gun in one's face...a mortal threat and most of us would react accordingly.

[legion]

I might also mention that I have never been cut off, tailgated, or treated rudely on the road in any way, shape, or form by anyone on a motorcycle.

I've seen some idiots on motorcycles, but they always seem to be going the opposite direction when there is no traffic..

[CJFusco]

ummmm isn't there a Pelican named technoweenie?!?

[Mulhollanddose]

I was almost ran over by a rabid liberal in a gas-guzzling earlier model Yukon 4x4...She saw the Bush/Cheney sticker on the back of my helmet and decided to come within inches of taking my life, she then went up on the curb, to get next to me, and told me I am lucky she didn't run me down.

As a biker I have no need for those that don't respect them.

I was once at a family table and a relative said, regarding motorcycles splitting lanes, that he thinks that they should have to wait like everybody else and that he would like to open the door on them when they come by...I was 15ish at the time and thought what a scumbag the guy was.

[bigchillcar]

ummmm isn't there a Pelican named technoweenie?!?

techweenie..you might better watch over your shoulder for a while, just in case..lol. besides, aren't most bikers neocons...? ha
ryan

[Oh Haha]

There is a Crown-Vic forum?!!!!!!!

I ALWAYS give bicycles and motorcycles plenty of room on the road.
My brother rides a crotch rocket and has had some close calls.

[scottmandue]

Originally posted by Oh Haha
There is a Crown-Vic forum?!!!!!!!

That was the first thing I thought when I read the original post!

I always give bikes and motorcycles extra room too... I would think more than a few (real) bikers pack heat, probably not a healthy idea to be pissing them off.

"they should wait like everyone else" what a moron... yeah, so traffic can be backed up even further! What are people thinking.

I still reserve the right to be pissed off at the wanna-be biker chromosexuals... like the three guys taking up two lanes (on a two lane highway) on their $50K choppers roaring up to five miles over the speed limit then slowing to five under so they can roar up again to show off their short pipes... thinking they are looking sooooo cool while they are oblivious to the traffic they are backing up behind them. (My point being that three bikes only need one lane and a good rider knows what is gong on behind them)

Or they guy on the 1200cc sportbike with matching helmet/leathers that wiggles around corners like he is going to fall over at any second. (Point being that if they can spend a thousand dollars on leathers two hundred dollars on a riding class is a small amount and would go along way in increasing their enjoyment of the bike)

[sammyg2]

Cool, another opportunity for yuppie posers to pretend that they are bad a$$ just because they plopped down a check for a motorcycle.

I look at it like this:
I do not and never have tried to cause a motorcycle to crash. In fact I move over and give them as much room as possible to get by, unless they are inconsiderate low-life posers with very loud pipes on their motorcycles. I absolutely hate sitting in traffic minding my own business and having some POS on two wheels go right by my window and blast my ears with loud pipes.
In those cases all bets are off. If these morons are more concerned with they bad boy poser image than with my personal right to reasonable peace and quiet, F-em. I don't try to make them crash but I will not allow them to share my lane. They can sit back and wait like the rest of us or they can split someone else's lane.

I discussed this with my older brother recently, he has drag pipes on his harley (he sells insurance ooooo big bad biker )
He said something about how I might get my door kicked in. I responded that I have insurance and asked him which would hurt more, my door getting kicked or some clown going down and getting accidentally run over because he tried to kick my car. If someone kicked my car I might get startled and react in a way that could possibly casue my truck to suddely swerve.

It is my lane. Motorcycle riders can split my lane if I allow it which I will always do, unless they make too much noise.
I say don't be obnoxious, don't threaten to kick my car (or anything else) and we will get along just fine.

If you are cool and don't infringe on my rights, I will go out of my way to make things as easy and safe for you.

If you are one of those idiot *********s who don't care about anyone else, I will show you the same courtesy you have shown me.

[Flatbutt1]

Originally posted by sammyg2

It is my lane. Motorcycle riders can split my lane if I allow it which I will always do, unless they make too much noise.

I feel the same about loud pipes as you do but it is not your lane to own. The law in Califirnia states that you will permit lane splitting. If you force the issue, you may be charged with assault.

[sammyg2]

Motorcycles are allowed to split lanes under certain conditions, one of which is that it must be safe to do so.
If there isn't room to split lanes, it obviously isn't safe to do so.

"Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible under California law but must done in a safe and prudent manner. The motorcycle should be traveling no more than 10 mph faster than surrounding traffic (without exceeding the speed limit) and not come close enough to that traffic to cause a collision."

Noise Restrictions
23130. (a) No person shall operate a motor vehicle under any condition of grade, load, acceleration, or deceleration in such a manner as to exceed the following noise limit for the category of motor vehicle within the speed limits specified in this section:
(2) Any motorcycle other than a motor-driven cycle at a speed limit of 45 or less..... 82 dbA. Any motorcycle other than a motor-driven cycle at a speed limit of 45 or more..... 86 dbA.
(b) The noise limits established by this section shall be based on a distance of 50 feet from the center of the lane of travel within the speed limit specified in this section. The Department of the California Highway Patrol may provide for measuring at distances other than 50 feet from the center of the lane of travel. In such a case, the measurement shall be corrected so as to provide for measurements equivalent to the noise limit established by this section measured at 50 feet.
23130.5.
(a) The noise limits, within a speed zone of 35 miles per hour or less on level streets, or streets with a grade not exceeding plus or minus 1 percent, shall be:
(2) Any motorcycle other than a motor-driven cycle..... 77 dbA.
27150.8. The manufacturers of motorcycles and motorcycle accessories shall certify to the department that the exhaust system is in compliance with the standards and regulations adopted by the commissioner.
27200. (a) The Department of Motor Vehicles shall not register on a dealer's report of sale a new motor vehicle which produces a maximum noise exceeding the applicable noise limit at a distance of 50 feet from the centerline of travel under test procedures established by the Department of the California Highway Patrol.
27201. For the purposes of Section 27200, the noise limit of 92 dbA shall apply to any motorcycle manufactured before 1970.
27202. For the purposes of Section 27200, the following noise limits shall apply to any motorcycle, other than a motor-driven cycle, manufactured:
(1) After 1969, and before 1973..... 88 dbA
(2) After 1972, and before 1975..... 86 dbA
(3) After 1974, and before 1986..... 83 dbA
(4) After 1985..... 80 dbA

[djmcmath]

SammyG2
27201. ... For purposes of Section 27200, the noise limit of 1,200 dbA shall apply to any motorcycle manufactured before 1876.

Did you make that part up?

[island911]

Originally posted by sammyg2
....

If you are one of those idiot *********s who don't care about anyone else, I will show you the same courtesy you have shown me.

that's really what it comes down to.

[bigchillcar]

There is a Crown-Vic forum?!!!!!!!

don't know how i missed it either. it's a strange planet we live on, friends..
ryan

[sammyg2]

djmcmath, naw I didn't make it up.
i copied it from a website who's author decided to mix in an editorial comment or two. Another guy who's parents failed to raise him to respect the rights of others.
i editted out most of the ad-libbing but missed that one.

[MotoSook]

Originally posted by sammyg2
Cool, another opportunity for yuppie posers to pretend that they are bad a$$ just because they plopped down a check for a motorcycle.

I look at it like this:
I do not and never have tried to cause a motorcycle to crash. In fact I move over and give them as much room as possible to get by, unless they are inconsiderate low-life posers with very loud pipes on their motorcycles. I absolutely hate sitting in traffic minding my own business and having some POS on two wheels go right by my window and blast my ears with loud pipes.
In those cases all bets are off. If these morons are more concerned with they bad boy poser image than with my personal right to reasonable peace and quiet, F-em. I don't try to make them crash but I will not allow them to share my lane. They can sit back and wait like the rest of us or they can split someone else's lane.

I discussed this with my older brother recently, he has drag pipes on his harley (he sells insurance ooooo big bad biker )
He said something about how I might get my door kicked in. I responded that I have insurance and asked him which would hurt more, my door getting kicked or some clown going down and getting accidentally run over because he tried to kick my car. If someone kicked my car I might get startled and react in a way that could possibly casue my truck to suddely swerve.

It is my lane. Motorcycle riders can split my lane if I allow it which I will always do, unless they make too much noise.
I say don't be obnoxious, don't threaten to kick my car (or anything else) and we will get along just fine.

If you are cool and don't infringe on my rights, I will go out of my way to make things as easy and safe for you.

If you are one of those idiot *********s who don't care about anyone else, I will show you the same courtesy you have shown me.

Geez Sammy...do you react negatively towards 911 owners with loud cars too? Most 911 owners I know, and probably you know justs as many if not more, have a 911 that is louder than a lot of motorcycles at low RPM while splitting lanes. Yes, there are some bikes out there that are just too loud for any use. And yep, I am not pleased with the so called "posers" giving good riders a bad rep., which inturn causes idiot drivers to target/generalize all riders.

BUT! Keep in mind that there are more good and considerate riders out there than there are "posers." In the 911 world, there is a similar mix of good, bad and impolite drivers. Yet we don't go around waiting for the first bad action to run the other 911 driver off the road.

And yes, I understand that it's not polite to blast pass an open car window with an open exhaust, but aren't the riders splitting lanes going 5-10 MPH faster than the rest of traffic? (We can't split lanes in Illinois so I don't know the Cali trend).

Anyhow, even the nearly open exhaust on one of my bikes is not as loud as some 911's when I'm cruising through the subdivision. I try to keep the revs down so as not to offend the neighbors, but when I'm blasting away on a country road, the thing sounds like an F1 race car.

Getting back on track, I think the essence of the thread and perhaps what angered so many riders is that the guy has publicly indicated that he intentionally caused riders to crash and seems to enjoy doing it. He has publicly shown himself as a threat to riders....no matter if the riders deserves it or not.

Even if the rider is the so called "poser" who may have angered you by being inconsiderate, trying to injury or kill someone with a vehicle is criminal.

As for posers, I am surprised now and then when the helmet comes off. After 16 years of riding, I still expect some punk kid to be under the helmet when the rider of a sportbike removes his/her helmet. Keep in mind that some great performing sportbikes have been around for more than a couple of decades. So someone who has grown up riding sportbikes (and still does) does not have to be some 18 year old kid...it could be your 38 year old lawyer or your friendly police officer, off duty.

One of the moderators of the thread I linked is a cop! What the heck is he doing riding a crotch rocker?! Or even moderating a bunch of Icy Hot Stuntaz on a super bike forum! Oh the madness...

It favors no one for a driver to attempt to run over or block a rider! That's the core of the discussion. Yes, that poser might deserve to be hassled or hurt...but if you pull in front of him or mess with him, be wary he isn't some kid with a 9mm under his leather who just paid cash for his new bike after a couple months of running deliveries for someone you don't want to meet in a dark alley.

Or the rider might be an off duty cop coming up on you while splitting lanes moments after some punk blasted passed your open window. Would your anger make you open a door on that second rider?

Just be careful out there. I don't know one rider that suits up and straps on a helmet to go out and try to run a car off the road. But I do know of some bad but learning riders who might be the target of some idiot driver. Just because they may not have the smarts to share the road, does not permit anyone to react in a criminal manner.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by sammyg2
Motorcycles are allowed to split lanes under certain conditions, one of which is that it must be safe to do so.
If there isn't room to split lanes, it obviously isn't safe to do so.

I just moved from CA, and rode a bike there for the first six years I lived there.

I never had a problem with drivers except one time. On the street that runs north of Cal State Hayward, where my apartment complex was located at the time, as I pulled up to a stop light a 1/2 ton Chevy pickup was already at the light stopped. As I pulled up to a stop, his drivers door opened wide, and of course overhung the dividing stripe between his lane and mine. The road is 4 lanes wide. I usually ride to the left of the center of my lane, so with a slight move further left, missed the door by a good margin, but it's hard to think that this was a accidental opening. The truck was relatively new, and would have been unlikely to have a faulty door latch.

As far as lane splitting goes, it's up to the motorcyclist to determine the safe operation of his bike, and the cop that sees wreckless driving to ticket the motorcyclist if necessary, and not up to you to mete out instant punishment for operation that you deem wrong. Assault charges would be the least of your worries I'd guess.

There were plenty of times that people wouldn't move over during traffic jams on my commute, the remedy for such jerks was usually found by moving elsewhere in the selection of lanes, or using the commuter lanes which were open to bikes.

[Grady Clay]

OK, you guys finally get me to post OT.

I agree with the bikers (and souk). If this guy is intentionally running bikes off the road, he should be prosecuted. That is just like driving down the road shooting at people for some perverse reason.

Personally, when I see someone with a cool bike I give them the “thumbs-up” and usually get a big toothy grin in return (sometimes missing-tooth grin). I try and give someone a break or make their day a little better every time I drive. It makes both our lives better.

I agree about being stuck in traffic and a bike splits the lanes. My thoughts go to “Wouldn’t it be nice if I had a Vespa and could cruse by everyone.” It isn’t only someone opening a door but a pedestrian cutting through seemingly stopped traffic or the lanes have left a gap for cross traffic that is the worry. Then reality returns; I settle back in to my nice strong 911 coupe, cinch up the 6-point belts and check the mirror adjustment.

Best,
Grady