idiot posts he runs bikers off roads, then tries to cover...but the net is too fast

[nostatic]

not sure where you got that info about lane splitting. From the CHP site:

Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles?

Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a safe and prudent manner.

http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html

And another site:

http://www.calhsta.org/library/cacode.html

[911boost]

Wow, I don't even know what to say. The fact that jack @ss is tupid enough to try to run people off the road, or the fact that he posted it on the internet...

[techweenie]

Originally posted by bigchillcar
techweenie..you might better watch over your shoulder for a while, just in case..lol. besides, aren't most bikers neocons...? ha
ryan

Don't threaten me.

I'm a sportbike rider, myself.

[sammyg2]

Let me put it this way: If I am sitting in traffic, or sitting in my living room, and a vehicle goes by my car or house and the exhaust is modified to the extent that it is annoying, then yes I feel the same way whether it is a 911 or a harley.
I purpously make my Porsches as quiet as possible within reason. I had a 914 with a V8 in it and when it came to the exhaust, i tried to make it as quiet as possible. it was probably as quiet as a stock 70's camaro.
My turbo 914 was as about as quiet as stock.
My SC with the turbo on it is almost as quiet as stock, maybe slightly louder at idle but still within reason and within legal limits.

If someone makes their 911 excessively loud to the point where it is illegal and annoying, then IMO they fit into the same category as a harley owner who puts drag pipes on his bike. While I'm ranting, I might as well through in the people with the boom boxes and extra loud stereos. Without singling out a certain ethnic group, why is it that they can't crank up the stereo in their car without rolling down the windows? is it that they want to be annoying on purpose and that is the only reason they play their music so loud?
I like music, my music. I listen to it at a reasonable level. It is for my enjoyment, not everyone within 100 yards. No way do I think I am important enough to have the right to decide what everyone around me has to listen to.

I absolutely love the sound of a full race 911 with megaphones going around willow springs or california speedway, but that is where they belong and I choose to listen to them just by my attendance. I will also be wearing ear plugs when attending.
the same car does not belong on the streets.

The world is becoming a crowded place and in order to be civilized we must have at least a little concideration for those we share this place with.
If we refuse to be civilized then we should move out in the middle of no where so the only person we annoy is ourselves.

[Tervuren]

If I see one headlight coming at me, I always let them by and pull out aftewards. Its much harder to estimate just where a bike is. I've had several freinds nailed by a women driver pulling out in front of their bike.

[bell]

wow.....i just read 29 pages plus a bunch of the links where it carries on at other bbs's........what an a-hole.
i always give bikes room......wether they're passing me doing 120mph on one wheel, or just minding their own.

[SlowToady]

Not the thread I wanted to see as I'm signing up for my M-license class.

edit()
Edited for jumping to baseless conclusions.

[tobster1911]

Originally posted by sammyg2
Cool, another opportunity for yuppie posers to pretend that they are bad a$$ just because they plopped down a check for a motorcycle.

I look at it like this:
I do not and never have tried to cause a motorcycle to crash. In fact I move over and give them as much room as possible to get by, unless they are inconsiderate low-life posers with very loud pipes on their motorcycles. I absolutely hate sitting in traffic minding my own business and having some POS on two wheels go right by my window and blast my ears with loud pipes.
In those cases all bets are off. If these morons are more concerned with they bad boy poser image than with my personal right to reasonable peace and quiet, F-em. I don't try to make them crash but I will not allow them to share my lane. They can sit back and wait like the rest of us or they can split someone else's lane.

I discussed this with my older brother recently, he has drag pipes on his harley (he sells insurance ooooo big bad biker )
He said something about how I might get my door kicked in. I responded that I have insurance and asked him which would hurt more, my door getting kicked or some clown going down and getting accidentally run over because he tried to kick my car. If someone kicked my car I might get startled and react in a way that could possibly casue my truck to suddely swerve.

It is my lane. Motorcycle riders can split my lane if I allow it which I will always do, unless they make too much noise.
I say don't be obnoxious, don't threaten to kick my car (or anything else) and we will get along just fine.

If you are cool and don't infringe on my rights, I will go out of my way to make things as easy and safe for you.

If you are one of those idiot *********s who don't care about anyone else, I will show you the same courtesy you have shown me.

I have a little bit of a problem with all this. It seems like you are really advocating the forcing of others to fit your own preferences. I understand the idea of people need to be considerate, but you seem to miss the part where you are considerate of thier likes and preferences. Every thing you said was based on your own bias and you were judging them as if you make all the rules. Tons of "I" statements and you expect them to be considerate of you?

Some people just like the sound, I know I do. I exercise consideration by not making too much noise when the sun is down, but juring the day people should be able to tolorate a little bit of differentness. Just because it is not your favorite does not mean that you are intitled to have everything fit your desires.

I am not really that upset if you don't like it. It is when people think that they can force me to change just to make themselves more comfortable that I get upset.

[island911]

If your neighbor cleans their yard by throwing the dog crap over the fence, into your yard, then they are not simply exercising their "likes and preferences."

Similarly, drag-pipes on some POS "Hog" are not simply exercising their "likes and preferences."

[bigchillcar]

apples and oranges. arguable..public roadways, private property.
ryan

[rider]

http://johnparkssucks.com

[bell]

Originally posted by rider
http://johnparkssucks.com

reminds me of the quote......"don't mess with the bull......you'll get the horns"

good stuff......

[island911]

Originally posted by bigchillcar
apples and oranges. arguable..public roadways, private property.
ryan

I guess you're right there. . . . public roadways are never near private property.

A buddy of mine has a condo in downtown Seattle. At 2:am, when the bars close, and the frustrated hog riders just have the thumping throttle to satisfiy their crotch, EVERYONE down there gets to hear about their pathetic frustration.

. ..oh wait; I meant to say "likes and preferences."

[bigchillcar]

true..many years back when i lived a block off of ocean drive in south beach, the action never really stopped. i just got used to sleeping with ear plugs, much like i did for years flying the learjet..and in hotels having to sleep during the day after flying all night..lol. i guess that's my knott's berry farm solution for everyone..permanent earplugs. half of the crap that i hear or gets told to me i'm trying to tune out anyway..
ryan

[Vipergrün]

OWNED!!! Reminds me of the dood on the 4x4 forum who got owned for trying to screw another dood on parts sales. Who would be so stupid to post this crap in a web forum? Scary thing is that I wonder what else he does while riding around in his fake police car....predator perhaps, definately a poser....

[OFFICER737]

Originally posted by Souk
Geez Sammy...do you react negatively towards 911 owners with loud cars too? Most 911 owners I know, and probably you know justs as many if not more, have a 911 that is louder than a lot of motorcycles at low RPM while splitting lanes. Yes, there are some bikes out there that are just too loud for any use. And yep, I am not pleased with the so called "posers" giving good riders a bad rep., which inturn causes idiot drivers to target/generalize all riders.

BUT! Keep in mind that there are more good and considerate riders out there than there are "posers." In the 911 world, there is a similar mix of good, bad and impolite drivers. Yet we don't go around waiting for the first bad action to run the other 911 driver off the road.

And yes, I understand that it's not polite to blast pass an open car window with an open exhaust, but aren't the riders splitting lanes going 5-10 MPH faster than the rest of traffic? (We can't split lanes in Illinois so I don't know the Cali trend).

Anyhow, even the nearly open exhaust on one of my bikes is not as loud as some 911's when I'm cruising through the subdivision. I try to keep the revs down so as not to offend the neighbors, but when I'm blasting away on a country road, the thing sounds like an F1 race car.

Getting back on track, I think the essence of the thread and perhaps what angered so many riders is that the guy has publicly indicated that he intentionally caused riders to crash and seems to enjoy doing it. He has publicly shown himself as a threat to riders....no matter if the riders deserves it or not.

Even if the rider is the so called "poser" who may have angered you by being inconsiderate, trying to injury or kill someone with a vehicle is criminal.

As for posers, I am surprised now and then when the helmet comes off. After 16 years of riding, I still expect some punk kid to be under the helmet when the rider of a sportbike removes his/her helmet. Keep in mind that some great performing sportbikes have been around for more than a couple of decades. So someone who has grown up riding sportbikes (and still does) does not have to be some 18 year old kid...it could be your 38 year old lawyer or your friendly police officer, off duty.

One of the moderators of the thread I linked is a cop! What the heck is he doing riding a crotch rocker?! Or even moderating a bunch of Icy Hot Stuntaz on a super bike forum! Oh the madness...

It favors no one for a driver to attempt to run over or block a rider! That's the core of the discussion. Yes, that poser might deserve to be hassled or hurt...but if you pull in front of him or mess with him, be wary he isn't some kid with a 9mm under his leather who just paid cash for his new bike after a couple months of running deliveries for someone you don't want to meet in a dark alley.

Or the rider might be an off duty cop coming up on you while splitting lanes moments after some punk blasted passed your open window. Would your anger make you open a door on that second rider?

Just be careful out there. I don't know one rider that suits up and straps on a helmet to go out and try to run a car off the road. But I do know of some bad but learning riders who might be the target of some idiot driver. Just because they may not have the smarts to share the road, does not permit anyone to react in a criminal manner.

Wow!! It is nice to get mentioned
I hope it is ok to check your site out. You folks have some very nice autos!!

Yes I am the cop from the sportbike forum. I really like to ride my sportbike and I enjoy being a mod for the forum. We try to teach new riders not to be jerks and enjoy the road and not try and be a peckerwood on it Some like to go fast, some like to drag knees. I feel we all can share the road. It got under a lot of rider's skin when the guy started posting up about intentionally taking riders out. We would have responded the same way about people taking out 911 drivers! We all share the basic thrill, some with cars and some with bikes I like BOTH!!

Great site you guys got here!!

[ChrisBennet]

Originally posted by sammyg2
Let me put it this way: If I am sitting in traffic, or sitting in my living room, and a vehicle goes by my car or house and the exhaust is modified to the extent that it is annoying, then yes I feel the same way whether it is a 911 or a harley.
I purpously make my Porsches as quiet as possible within reason. I had a 914 with a V8 in it and when it came to the exhaust, i tried to make it as quiet as possible. it was probably as quiet as a stock 70's camaro.
My turbo 914 was as about as quiet as stock.
My SC with the turbo on it is almost as quiet as stock, maybe slightly louder at idle but still within reason and within legal limits.

If someone makes their 911 excessively loud to the point where it is illegal and annoying, then IMO they fit into the same category as a harley owner who puts drag pipes on his bike. While I'm ranting, I might as well through in the people with the boom boxes and extra loud stereos. Without singling out a certain ethnic group, why is it that they can't crank up the stereo in their car without rolling down the windows? is it that they want to be annoying on purpose and that is the only reason they play their music so loud?
I like music, my music. I listen to it at a reasonable level. It is for my enjoyment, not everyone within 100 yards. No way do I think I am important enough to have the right to decide what everyone around me has to listen to.

I absolutely love the sound of a full race 911 with megaphones going around willow springs or california speedway, but that is where they belong and I choose to listen to them just by my attendance. I will also be wearing ear plugs when attending.
the same car does not belong on the streets.

The world is becoming a crowded place and in order to be civilized we must have at least a little concideration for those we share this place with.
If we refuse to be civilized then we should move out in the middle of no where so the only person we annoy is ourselves.

Exactly Sammy! Unfortunately, a lot of people only think about themselves. When you call them on their selfishness they respond that they are "exercising their freedoms" or some such cr*p.
"Loud pipes save lives" - bu**s**t! If they were that concerned about safety they'd wear a helmet.
Like my high school English teacher used to say "Your rights stop where my toes start."
-Chris

[MotoSook]

Officer: glad to see you check in. Remember 911 drivers are not all pricks when you pull one of us over (it's the BMW drivers...LOL..just kidding...I happen to have a BMW too). Good job moderating the bikers. We were all young and stupid once. or twice or thrice......and we weren't instantly great riders the day we got our M-class.

Sam and Chris: Point taken. I especially like the case of buying a ticket to go hear the screaming Porsches at the race track. I'm not a fan of drag pipes or 50,000 Watt thumping bass adolescent hella sweet rides either. Same goes for Hondas with coffee cans...I laugh at it. All that noise and they are going no where fast. It's an annoyance for sure, and I can see why it might stir some folks into a rage. But mosts of us who are well educated and brought up to be good people won't be stirred to run the offenders of the road. And doing so will not deter other offenders. No knock on you guys (I know you are the good guys), but it seems that Mr. Parks is on the other extreme end of morality...and he seems to think he is doing humanity a service by causing accidents on the road. It's grim to think that someone is willing to risk the life of another human because of what most of us would consider an annoyance

Oh...AND GRADY POSTED IN OT! (just giving you a hard time Grady. OT or not, commenting about an action that may have injured or killed someone is always on topic! )

[OFFICER737]

Originally posted by Souk
Officer: glad to see you check in. Remember 911 drivers are not all pricks when you pull one of us over (it's the BMW drivers...LOL..just kidding...I happen to have a BMW too). Good job moderating the bikers. We were all young and stupid once. or twice or thrice......and we weren't instantly great riders the day we got our M-class.

Sam and Chris: Point taken. I especially like the case of buying a ticket to go hear the screaming Porsches at the race track. I'm not a fan of drag pipes or 50,000 Watt thumping bass adolescent hella sweet rides either. Same goes for Hondas with coffee cans...I laugh at it. All that noise and they are going no where fast. It's an annoyance for sure, and I can see why it might stir some folks into a rage. But mosts of us who are well educated and brought up to be good people won't be stirred to run the offenders of the road. And doing so will not deter other offenders. No knock on you guys (I know you are the good guys), but it seems that Mr. Parks is on the other extreme end of morality...and he seems to think he is doing humanity a service by causing accidents on the road. It's grim to think that someone is willing to risk the life of another human because of what most of us would consider an annoyance

Oh...AND GRADY POSTED IN OT! (just giving you a hard time Grady. OT or not, commenting about an action that may have injured or killed someone is always on topic! )

Souk! Thanks for the welcome!! 911s rock! I have never had a problem with anyone in a 911. It is actually one of the cars I plan to own before I croak I may be moving to ILL. for a better paying dept. and will be more able to get my grubby little paws on one of them then!

Thanks for the kudos on helping the youngin's We all have done some silly stuff (at least I know did...haven't always been a cop ).

[MotoSook]

Cool. I have a few friends who are cops in Illinois. Good luck with the department change (hunt). Look us up if you make it up to Illinois.