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Originally posted by fastpat
Interesting comment. India has almost no history of cultural xenophobia which is a huge part of Chinese culture.

Naturally, India's future demands for petroleum is one of the main reasons the Bush'ists wanted control of the Iraqi oil fields.

That's part of it. The other is their educational systems/philosophies. Another is the government. China's "capitalist/communist" approach is great for this part of the growth cycle, but will collapse under it's own weight of corruption and mismanagement (so says my Andover/Harvard educated Chinese friend).

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India has the Largest Muslim population in the World. Also India has strong British traditions.

The US since 911 has been working in the Belly of the Beast, something which the US tended to ignore for 50 plus years.

The Beast simply is the MORASS of affairs and interests in the ME and Central/Southern Asia. This is not pretty work nor is it nice and tidy.

With this agreement the Bush Admin has STRENGTHENED Indias hand as a World Power militarily and most importantly economically to the detriment of Iran and the Pakistani Religious Conservatives.

We have annoited the Secular Muslims of India, by making them the STRONGEST voice in the region. Iran is being further marginalized for its Religious fervor and extreme views. The Iranians have long wanted to be a major power in the region, like the East Germans before them looking at W Germany the Iranians are now going to have to look and see how successfull India is going to become while they stagnate.

It is also a good bet that India and Afganistan are going to have stronger ties...marginalizing the NW Pakistani influence. If Musareffa is overthrown Pakistan would most likely become a Conserative Theocracy and what better counterbalance to those forces in Pakistan than a thriving India..much like the relationship between Mexico and or Canada and the USA.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by tabs
India has the Largest Muslim population in the World.

No, they do not. The largest muslim population is in Indonesia.

Also India has strong British traditions.

No, that's incorrect too. You're selling the Indians short, their culture is very old, and very diverse. The main contribution of the British was standard english for the conduct of business and the railroad systems; and little else.

The US since 9/11/2001 has been working in the Belly of the Beast, something which the US tended to ignore for 50 plus years.

Belly of the Beast? What in God's name does that mean?

The Beast simply is the MORASS of affairs and interests in the ME and Central/Southern Asia. This is not pretty work nor is it nice and tidy.

The above is simplistic garbage.

With this agreement the Bush Admin has STRENGTHENED Indias hand as a World Power militarily and most importantly economically to the detriment of Iran and the Pakistani Religious Conservatives.

No, you're wrong. India was already strong, this agreement achieves nothing for America.

We have annoited the Secular Muslims of India, by making them the STRONGEST voice in the region.

What kind of idiotic blather is this? Where did you hear such crap?

Iran is being further marginalized for its Religious fervor and extreme views. The Iranians have long wanted to be a major power in the region, like the East Germans before them looking at W Germany the Iranians are now going to have to look and see how successfull India is going to become while they stagnate.

Not due to the new agreement with India. Iran is one of the strongest nations in the region, by sheer size and location. That's not going to change.

It is also a good bet that India and Afganistan are going to have stronger ties...

Not in either your or my lifetimes.

marginalizing the NW Pakistani influence. If Musareffa is overthrown Pakistan would most likely become a Conserative Theocracy and what better counterbalance to those forces in Pakistan than a thriving India..much like the relationship between Mexico and or Canada and the USA.

Let's see, Pakistan's population is 125,000,000, India's population is 1,300,000,000; that's 125 milion in Pakistan to 1.3 billion in India. I don't think India needs strenghtening; if they wanted to annihilate Pakistan they could have done it decades ago without nukes.

Please, no more Rush Limbaugh geopolitics; it's almost too childish to respond to.

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And your STILL A WHACKO Pat....you have been wrong in the past are wrong now and will be wrong in the futher....

I knew India had either the 1st or 2nd largest Muslim population and took a shot. But it still stands the US helping India develop Nucklear power will help them develope economically at a much faster rate, and this is the first of many deals. With a secular India as an Ally it sends a powerfull mesage to the Fundlementalists that they are going to be left in their own stinking misery...while India enjoys GREATER prosperity with US help. With India in the US camp, India will play a larger security role in the region instead of using US troops. If the US butters their bread, our interests will become their interests and they will in a sense do our bidding...remember the interest of the US is for Global Free Trade. Its called the New World Order...The American empire has just expanded a bit....

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Don't U get it the Wogs model of Civil Administartion is based upon the British Model...and as such thier thinking about, the way of going about civilized business is British in nature, but as always will have indigenous quirks as it is just a copy of the real thing.

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Originally posted by tabs
And your STILL A WHACKO Pat....you have been wrong in the past are wrong now and will be wrong in the futher....

I knew India had either the 1st or 2nd largest Muslim population and took a shot.

I'm sorry, I should have been more helpful to you. The Indian muslim population isn't in the top ten as far as I know, certainly not in the top five at 17.5 million, or about 13.5% of India's population.

But it still stands the US helping India develop Nucklear power will help them develope economically at a much faster rate, and this is the first of many deals.

India already has nuclear power, the fact is that the Bush'ists are giving the nuke power plants and fuel to them.

With a secular India

Secular India? Now that is funny.

as an Ally it sends a powerfull mesage to the Fundlementalists that they are going to be left in their own stinking misery...while India enjoys GREATER prosperity with US help. With India in the US camp, India will play a larger security role in the region instead of using US troops. If the US butters their bread, our interests will become their interests and they will in a sense do our bidding...remember the interest of the US is for Global Free Trade. Its called the New World Order...The American empire has just expanded a bit....

I don't want to beat up on you for this stuff, but you really must get your information from a new, more reliable source.

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Originally posted by fastpat
I'm sorry, I should have been more helpful to you. The Indian muslim population isn't in the top ten as far as I know, certainly not in the top five at 17.5 million, or about 13.5% of India's population.

According to this India has the third largest Muslim population, at 121 million. Therefore you are way off.

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Pat U should learn how to think in the Abstract...and see the long term effect this will have...by strengthening Indias hand it is undercutting the fundlementalists in the region. The exact number of Muslims in India is irrevelant, they have a stake in the country and work with the other religious groups.

I would term the USA a secular govt, even though the reins of power lie in the hands of Born Again Christians. ..Bush etall and Congress.

Bechtel and Westinghouse will benfit greatly from this deal...

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Originally posted by fastpat
Secular India? Now that is funny.

Why is it funny? India does not meet the definition of a secular society?

"Generally, there is near-complete freedom of religion (one may believe in any religion or none at all, with little legal or social sanction)."

India is indeed considered a secular country.

One of several sources: India is a secular country. Main religions are : Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Christianity, Zoroastrianism.

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Originally posted by fastpat
I don't want to beat up on you for this stuff, but you really must get your information from a new, more reliable source.

Perhaps it's you who should get some new, more reliable sources. And getting rid of some of the snarky attitude would help a lot too.

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Originally posted by tabs
Don't U get it the Wogs model of Civil Administartion is based upon the British Model...and as such thier thinking about, the way of going about civilized business is British in nature, but as always will have indigenous quirks as it is just a copy of the real thing.

Gosh, arent they just like the Americans, then.

Irony being that British national dish is chicken tikka masala.

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Originally posted by 914GT
Perhaps it's you who should get some new, more reliable sources. And getting rid of some of the snarky attitude would help a lot too.

I use the CIA Fact Book, what did you use?

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13.5% of 1B = 135M

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CIA book also says that India has a "SECULAR" govt. perhaps Pat U should read what your own sources say...

[M.D. Holloway]

Having a ton of experience4 with folks from India - at least the ones that come over here, I think that they should have a much greater partnership over here - heck, I have yet to met one person from India that I did nto respect or at least trust. I can't say that for other folks from other countries or even locals that I have met.

I say let the Indians middle manage and save the basic engineer, shmooze and creativity for the US.

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Originally posted by fastpat
I use the CIA Fact Book, what did you use?

I think that's funny. Next thing you'll be quoting from the CIA's report on the Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction programs.