NJ's politics are the main reason why I can never ever live there again.

Just like a lot of us here love cars, and if we had the money too, would collect lots of them, there are those also who greatly enjoy guns. Gun ownership is not purely for self defense.

Me, when I'm done fixing up my 944, I will be collecting Harmonica's. Different Harmonica's have different sound and styles. Eventualy, I hope to have an "arsenal" of Harmonica's. Well, Porsche's too, I'd love to have various 911's, a 914, 924, 924 Turbo, 944S2, 968, 951, 935, blah blah blah.... Just thats a bit out of what I could afford.

http://www.andrewscars.com/stuff/norvegian.mp3

Amen!

I also hear he's proposing a cut in College assistance. The media broke the story with every minority kid they could muster protesting. Ironically they're likely a good percentage of the demographic that voted him in.

Rick, unfortunately our state is in HUGE, HUGE trouble!!:( Things are going to get real ugly.

I just can't understand why anyone thinks Comrade Corzine is gonna make things better. And Lautenberg? OMFG! What a communist. It always bothered me that my paycheck from the RNC was done by Lautenberg's ADP. BTW, I walked past Torricelli on the Metro escalator the week before last. Would love to have given him a shove down the steps. NJ politics makes The Sopranos look like kid stuff.

Is that why you have two Porsches? :)

I have 5 VW's - what does that say about me? :eek:

That you have trouble walking?http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/128.gif

Jim, when I mentioned a female sexual organ yesterday you jump on me for doing so. Aurel talks about small penis's and you remain silent.

Interesting to compare. Guess you feel more comfortable with Europeans talking about male sexual organs, or is it that another liberal can say anything while a conservative cannot? BTW, at least we agree on Kennedy, he should still be in the car, under the water at Chappiquiddik.


I collect a certain brand of cameras, as well as a few nice watches and some historic autographs. Is the govt going to tell me that I cannot have the camera's because they could take a illegal photo?

The bill of rights guarantees us the right to "bear arms" and until this is struck down, we should all fight to keep our rights. A .22 pistol can hurt someone just as a .50 cal Barrett sniper rifle or 9mm UZI, all of which are legal here in America. Once the politicians start trying to get re-elected by changing the laws to suit their "flavour of the month" then its time to get new politicians.

Joe A
NRA lifetime member

Vaginas are more interesting to me than penises, but really this is all BS clouding the issues we "discuss" here on PP OT. Let's put it aside, a truce, OK?

Let's not let the Bill of Rights be eroded, with respect to guns as well as to our other fundamental rights. The more we give up under the guise of security, the less security we really have.

I find it strange that you guys get all upset when someone threatens to erode your right to own as many weapons as possible, but at the same time have no problem with the patriot act, the right for the president to throw you in jail for no reason, to spy on you without asking for permision first. If I was to get upset about somthing, I would start there, and worry about my right to own an automatic assault rifle on top of my multiple guns and rifles later on.

Aurel

Eh? Why not worry about both. We've allowed the bill of rights to deteriate, which has given them the slack to pull such a thing off. if people had of stood up decades ago for the 2nd ammendment, I highly doubt the patriot act would exist today.

Fine--then you can start there.

I will stick to protecting my right to own firearms.SmileWavy

I am ardently against the euphamistically named "Patriot Act." The neo-cons want more gov't intrusion, yet by their actions have done little to make America truly secure.

But can you really say that had Kerry been in office during 9/11 that something like the Patriot Act would not have happened?

The admin in power right now wants to stop terrorism, and if they step on a few toes, well thats better than more planes crashing into more buildings. Do I want someone snooping into my life? Hell no but we have to figure out how to protect our country.

Please tell us what you would have done had you been in power?

Joe A

PS will call a truce for now but I find it laughable that you really want to talk about it when you are the one throwing harpoons but when I ask for some clarification the white flags start waving.

Guns, God and Gays - the trinity of Republican power.

The "PATRIOT" act and domestic wiretapping have infringed our rights 10x more than any assault weapons ban, but you won't hear a peep out of the Red Staters about it.

I doubt the "PATRIOT" act would have happened under Kerry. Given the size and scope of the document, it had to have been written well in advance, just waiting for the right moment to be introduced, and with a name like that, under the circumstances, it would be tantamount to political suicide to oppose it.

There is not necessarily any connection between gun ownership and support for the Patriot Act. How do you even make that connection? Most gun owners I know (myself included) that support our Second Ammendment rights also vehemently oppose the Patriot Act. You will find gun owners generally are the greatest supporters of individual freedoms, and the greatest opponents of an intrussive government.

Nobody is clamoring for the right to own an "automatic assault rifle". I'm not sure where you get that, either. You are increasingly sounding like a victim of the massive barrage of anti-gun propoganda circulating today. Your clear lack of understanding (and negative stereotyping) of gun owners, their motivations, their politics, and their firearms themselves all indicate that. Your statements demonstrate that you have no personal experience with, or exposure to, any of this. All you seem to know about guns and gun owners is simply regurgitated propoganda from the anti-gun crowd. It sounds like you have bought into most of it. That's too bad; you should make an effort to educate yourself a bit better on these topics. You will be surprised how far off the propoganda-fueled common wisdom really is.

The irony is the gun owners are screaming bloody murder, calling for politician's heads on platters, because they can't have the latest BFG, but I'll bet if we went back through the archives, we'd find the same people were also the most rabid defenders of Bush's spying program and the PATRIOT act.

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You correct. The only thing Kerry would have supported is your proported rendition of the third trilogy of "republican power."

You might find that to be true with some on this board, I agree. I would bet that those who fit this description are more casual gun enthusiasts and rabid Republicans, vs. those of us that are more casual Republicans and rabid gun enthusiasts.

I spend a lot of time with gun enthusiasts, from match shooting to gun shows to whatever. These venues obviously attract folks that are pretty serious about guns, and tend to be NRA members and such. Nowhere will you find a group of people more vehemently opposed to intrusive government, no matter how it manifests itself, than in these people. The Patriot Act is reviled in these circles on the same level that the Brady Bill was.

Casual gun owners, on the other hand, don't seem to care much about or understand what their rights to own them entail. They support the Patriot Act not fully understanding the implications. They support it because they support Dubya without ever questioning it. These gun owners are nothing but a source of frustration to the rest of us that are fighting continually for their rights, whether they realize we are or not.