If Moussaoui doesn't get the needle...

[Nathans_Dad]

I actually think they should go old school on Moussaoui. String him up in front of the Capitol Building and leave him there for the vultures...

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
I actually think they should go old school on Moussaoui. String him up in front of the Capitol Building and leave him there for the vultures...

Yeah, right next to Bush.

[1fastredsc]

This mr.Moussoui i don't think has earned the right to be put to death. I think he should be tortured like is al quaida brethren do to there prisoners, and if he dies in the process so be it.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by fastpat
Yeah, right next to Bush.

With Pat in the middle.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by 1fastredsc
This mr.Moussoui i don't think has earned the right to be put to death. I think he should be tortured like is al quaida brethren do to there prisoners, and if he dies in the process so be it.

If you study Arabic culture, the way they treat their captives is not nice. They are usually turned over to the women of the camp, who then take them away and torture them until dead.

The means of torture is not nice and I cannot post what is usually done here on the forum, but suffice to say that it involves all of a mans very sensitive parts. Oh by the way, they are very good at keeping the man alive for hours if not days, while prolonging his agony until he dies.

Most of the guys I know of over there keep a pistol with them in case of capture. After seeing the result of a torture like this most would prefer to die from their own hand.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Rodeo
Newsflash: The Justice Department is as incompetent as the rest of the Bush administration. Despite some very good cases, it has repeatedly struck out in terrorism cases, in many instances in a spectacular fashion.

What liberals are defending those terrorists?...What liberal judges presided over the trials?

[Moses]

Truth is, Moussaoui is likely only guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. I don't believe that carries a death penalty anywhere in the U.S.

If the Feds want to charge him with "hate crimes" and other manufactured violations, they might accomplish his execution...the price being the integrity of the constitution.

Make no mistake, Moussaoui is an animal. I'd love to see him killed, but the law does not allow for that.

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Bingo! He says the same thing about every situation and argument out there.

Give us some facts and prove your case, not just ranting and raving.

Show us where the WMD were destroyed and shut us up, please! Problem is that you cannot do it and until they are either found or proven destroyed, there is a chance that they are out there waiting to be used by the next sicko...

You want me to "show you the WMD were destroyed?" You are as crazy as they come.

Ok, for the guy that refuses to believe the administration, the military, the international weapons inspectors, and the entire US intelligence community that Iraq had NO WMD, this will get you started on how miserably the Bush admin has failed with terrorism prosecutions since 9/11.

I know you'll read it with an open mind.

Moussaoui Case Is Latest Misstep in Prosecutions

'There have been a lot of flubs,' a law professor says of the U.S. record in terrorism trials.

By David G. Savage and Richard B. Schmitt
Times Staff Writers

March 14, 2006

WASHINGTON — The botched handling of witnesses in the sentencing trial of Al Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui is the latest in a series of missteps and false starts that have beset the Bush administration's prosecution of terrorism cases.

The government has seen juries reject high-profile terrorism charges, judges throw out convictions because of mistakes by the prosecution and the FBI suffer the embarrassment of wrongly accusing an Oregon lawyer of participating in the 2004 Madrid train bombings.

"There have been a lot of flubs," said George Washington University law professor Stephen A. Saltzburg. "I think most observers would say they were underwhelmed by the prosecutions brought so far."

On several occasions, top administration officials have promised more than they delivered. For example, then-Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft announced in 2002 that Jose Padilla, a Bronx-born Muslim, had been arrested on suspicion of "exploring a plan to build and explode a radiological dispersion device, or 'dirty bomb,' in the United States."

Padilla was held nearly four years in a military brig without being charged. This year, as his lawyers appealed his case to the Supreme Court, the administration indicted him in Miami on charges of conspiring to aid terrorists abroad. There was no mention of a "dirty bomb."

In May 2004, the FBI arrested Brandon Mayfield, an Oregon lawyer and Muslim convert, saying that his fingerprint was on a bag containing detonators and explosives linked to the Madrid train bombings that had killed 191 people two months before. The former Army officer was held as a material witness even though officials in Spain considered the fingerprint evidence inconclusive.

Mayfield was freed after almost three weeks in custody and received an apology from the FBI, which blamed the misidentification on a substandard digital image from Spanish authorities.

In other instances, prosecutors took cases to court that proved to be weak:

• A computer science student in Idaho was accused of aiding terrorists when he designed a website that included information on terrorists in Chechnya and Israel. A jury in Boise acquitted Sami Omar Al-Hussayen of the charges in June 2004.

• A Florida college professor was indicted on charges of supporting terrorists by promoting the cause of Palestinian groups. A jury in Tampa acquitted Sami Al-Arian in December.

• Two Detroit men arrested a week after the Sept. 11 attacks were believed to be plotting a terrorist incident, in part based on sketches found in their apartment. A judge overturned the convictions of Karim Koubriti and Abdel-Ilah Elmardoudi after he learned that the prosecutor's key witness had admitted lying to the FBI, a fact the prosecutor had kept hidden.

David Cole, a Georgetown University law professor who has been critical of such prosecutions, blamed pressure from the top. "The government in the war on terrorism has generally swept broadly and put a high premium on convictions at any cost," he said. "That puts pressures on prosecutors — to overcharge, to coach witnesses, to fail to disclose exculpatory evidence."

But Andrew McBride, a former federal prosecutor in Virginia, said it was unfair to blame prosecutors for the apparent witness tampering in the Moussaoui case.

"You can't really lay this at the door of the prosecution," he said. "This is a lawyer at the TSA [Transportation Security Administration] who screwed up. The rule of witnesses is pretty well known. You would think she would know you are not supposed to discuss the earlier testimony with your witnesses."

In a recent report on its terrorism prosecutions, the Justice Department called Moussaoui's decision last year to plead guilty to conspiracy charges one of its leading successes.

But U.S. District Judge Leonie M. Brinkema already has questioned whether the French citizen deserves the death penalty; Moussaoui was in jail in Minnesota on a visa violation when hijackers seized four passenger jets and caused almost 3,000 deaths by crashing them into the World Trade Center towers, the Pentagon and a Pennsylvania field. the Supreme Court has said the death penalty should be reserved for murderers and "major participants" in murder plots. Prosecutors are pushing for the death penalty under the theory that Moussaoui could have prevented the terrorist attacks by telling the FBI about the plot.

Terrorism cases have proved to be especially difficult for prosecutors because investigators need to disrupt plots before they come to fruition. That leaves prosecutors to make a decision on whether to bring a thin case to court. By contrast, in drug cases, police and drug agents can track suspects and arrest them when they take possession of large quantities of narcotics.

After the Sept. 11 attacks, officials feared there were terrorist "sleeper cells" throughout the nation, ready to spring into action. Since then, the determined pursuit of Al Qaeda members and sympathizers has turned up relatively few terrorists.

"The good news may be that there are not as many threatening people out there as we once thought," law professor Saltzburg said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-botched14mar14,0,2818335.story?coll=la-home-headlines

[Joeaksa]

Nice cut and paste Rodehard. Now again, where in your post is the proof that the WMD were destroyed. Not one word about it yet you rant and rave about it in the header.

Look in the mirror next time you can. The person standing there is the loony one.

[d993]

The only time I will (incorrectly) blame Bush, is when I'm going down on a girl and I get hair in my teeth.

[Cdnone1]

Hey Rodeo
I borrowed your glasses and read the article! Now I see what your talking about! How could we all have been so blind! And by the LA times, that vastion of Right Wing politics
I ran the peice thru your filter on my computer and reprinted the peice the way you read it here so everyone can be inlightened

By David G. Savage and Richard B. Schmitt
Times Staff Writers

March 14, 2006

WASHINGTON — The botched handling of witnesses in the sentencing trial of Al Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui by President Bush is the latest in a series of missteps and false starts by The President that have beset the Bush administration's prosecution of terrorism cases.

The government has seen juries reject high-profile terrorism charges, judges throw out convictions because of mistakes by George Bush and the FBI suffer the embarrassment of wrongly accusing an Oregon lawyer of participating in the 2004 Madrid train bombings.

"There have been a lot of flubs," said George Washington University law professor Stephen A. Saltzburg. "I think most observers would say they were underwhelmed by the prosecutions brought so far by the inept President George Bush."

On several occasions, top administration officials and personnally President Bush have promised more than they delivered. For example, then-Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft under direct orders from George Bush announced in 2002 that Jose Padilla, a Bronx-born Muslim, had been arrested by GW Bush on suspicion of "exploring a plan to build and explode a radiological dispersion device, or 'dirty bomb,' in the United States."

Padilla was held nearly four years by President Bush in a military brig without being charged. This year, as his lawyers appealed his case to the Supreme Court, the administration under the direct order of President Bush indicted him in Miami on charges of conspiring to aid terrorists abroad. There was no mention of a "dirty bomb."

In May 2004, the FBI along with President Bush arrested Brandon Mayfield, an Oregon lawyer and Muslim convert, saying that his fingerprint was on a bag containing detonators and explosives linked to the Madrid train bombings that had killed 191 people two months before. The "evidence" was personnally found at the scene by President George W Bush.The former Army officer was held as a material witness at the White House under direct survenlence by GW Bush even though officials in Spain considered the fingerprint evidence inconclusive.

Mayfield was freed after almost three weeks in custody by Bush and received an apology from the FBI, which blamed the misidentification on President Bush and a substandard digital image from Spanish authorities. There was no apology from President Bush

In other instances, George Bush along with prosecutors took cases to court that proved to be weak:

• A computer science student in Idaho was accused by President Bush of aiding terrorists when he designed a website that included information on terrorists in Chechnya and Israel. A jury in Boise acquitted Sami Omar Al-Hussayen of the charges in June 2004.

• A Florida college professor was indicted by Bush on charges of supporting terrorists by promoting the cause of Palestinian groups. A jury in Tampa acquitted Sami Al-Arian in December.

• Two Detroit men arrested a week after the Sept. 11 attacks were believed to be plotting a terrorist incident, in part based on sketches found by President Bush in their apartment. A judge overturned the convictions of Karim Koubriti and Abdel-Ilah Elmardoudi after he learned that the prosecutor's key witness had admitted lying to the FBI, a fact the prosecutor and President Bush had kept hidden.

David Cole, a Georgetown University law professor who has been critical of such prosecutions, blamed pressure from George Bush. "The government in the war on terrorism has generally swept broadly and put a high premium on convictions at any cost," he said. "That puts pressures on prosecutors — to overcharge, to coach witnesses, to fail to disclose exculpatory evidence."

But Andrew McBride, a former federal prosecutor in Virginia, said it was unfair to blame prosecutors for the apparent witness tampering in the Moussaoui case. He stated everything is really President Bush's direct fault

"You can't really lay this at the door of the prosecution," he said. "This is President Bush and a lawyer at the TSA [Transportation Security Administration] who screwed up. The rule of witnesses is pretty well known. You would think The President would know you are not supposed to discuss the earlier testimony with your witnesses."

In a recent report on its terrorism prosecutions, the President and Justice Department called Moussaoui's decision last year to plead guilty to conspiracy charges one of its leading successes.

But U.S. District Judge Leonie M. Brinkema already has questioned whether the French citizen deserves the death penalty; Moussaoui was in jail in Minnesota on a visa violation when hijackers seized four passenger jets and caused almost 3,000 deaths by crashing them into the World Trade Center towers, the Pentagon and a Pennsylvania field. the Supreme Court has said the death penalty should be reserved for murderers and "major participants" in murder plots. Prosecutors are pushing for the death penalty under the theory that Moussaoui could have prevented the terrorist attacks by telling the President Bush and the FBI about the plot.

Terrorism cases have proved to be especially difficult for George Bush and prosecutors because The President and investigators need to disrupt plots before they come to fruition. That leaves President Bush and prosecutors to make a decision on whether to bring a thin case to court. By contrast, in drug cases, police and drug agents can track suspects and arrest them when they take possession of large quantities of narcotics.

After the Sept. 11 attacks, President Bush and officials feared there were terrorist "sleeper cells" throughout the nation, ready to spring into action. Since then, the determined pursuit of Al Qaeda members and sympathizers has turned up relatively few terrorists.

"The good news may be that there are not as many threatening people out there as we once thought," law professor Saltzburg said.

Now that explains a lot

Steve

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Nice cut and paste ***

Oh .... you wanted an original essay detailing how the Bush administration has blown every terrorism case it has prosecuted since 9/11?

Dude, I'm really sorry. When you asked for back up for my post, I thought that a complete listing of all the bungled prosecutions, with commentary from legal experts, would be ok. But now I see I've screwed up, again.

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by Cdnone1
Hey Rodeo
***I ran the peice thru your filter on my computer and reprinted the peice the way you read it here so everyone can be inlightened***

I'm getting the sense that you run everythign through that same exact filter. Some people call it "making things up."

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Rodeo
Oh .... you wanted an original essay detailing how the Bush administration has blown every terrorism case it has prosecuted since 9/11?

Dude, I'm really sorry. When you asked for back up for my post, I thought that a complete listing of all the bungled prosecutions, with commentary from legal experts, would be ok. But now I see I've screwed up, again.

They always want facts, except when those facts demonstrate how wacked Bush actually is, then it the whine about "cut and paste".

That's why I've continued to ignore their feeble protestations.

And why these Bush'ists will continue to be hammered on the anvil of the truth until they yield.

[Cdnone1]

Dude
I didn't ask for anything. I just think your funny!
Steve

[oldE]

I think they should let Moussaoui go.. from the back ramp of a C5A..at 40,000ft. Let him be close to God and think about the use of airplanes for not nice purposes.
Les

[Jeff Higgins]

It should be abundantly clear what Moussaoui is up to. He knows at the least he will spend his life in jail. He is simply trying to raise his status among his peers. He was left out of the big party, with his own leaders questioning his qualifications to carry out the strike on the White House. The other pilots are legends in their screwed up little world. He feels left out. He wants credit for others' deeds so he can look as devoted, bad, or whatever as they were. He is a desperate man looking at anonymity. Much like Rodeo, he longs for attention, good or bad at this point.

[Moneyguy1]

Death is a reward. Make it worthwhile.

How about involuntary organ donation?

[Jim Richards]

I think he needs to live out the rest of his life in prison as someone's b!tch.

[RoninLB]

there was a contractor who would take vids of the target tied down in a room full of hungry rats for the customer. The guy said it was the most horrific way of killing someone he could think of.